Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 19th May 2016, 16:53   #31
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: mum,lko,kolkata
Posts: 546
Thanked: 538 Times
Infractions: 0/1 (5)
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoNoob View Post
I think there is some misunderstanding with regard to the Mandatory Regulations (regulatory tests) vis-a-vis Consumer Regulations (BNVSAP etc).

Not opting for safety rating from BNVSAP doesn't mean that the vehicles will escape the regulatory testing, including crash tests (AIS 098 & AIS 099 - offset frontal, side etc.). The vehicles would be required to pass these tests to be eligible for sale in market.

The rating system encompasses many other aspects of safety - Adult Occupant Protection, Child Occupant Protection, Pedestrian Protection, Active safety devices/ features and many more. Taking this rating is being made voluntary.

As far as regulation making authorities are concerned, they just do a copy paste job from EU regulations and yet miss out (delay) on many regulations (ABS & ESP etc). Only in very few cases they apply some different parameters for Indian conditions; and have been mostly pliable to the SIAM. So, as the Euro-NCAP is not mandatory in Europe, how can we expect the authorities here to dare and step ahead.

I just wanted to clarify the situation and not in any way saying that this is acceptable situation.
Thanks for clarifying AutoNoob - but in such a case, what does the term "voluntary" imply in the news article? Is the article about a regulation which is still in the mulling stage? Otherwise one might be forgiven for concluding that this is another example of leaving the door slightly ajar as an escape route!
shashanka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2016, 10:46   #32
Distinguished - BHPian
 
RavenAvi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Flying Around
Posts: 4,825
Thanked: 22,746 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

All new cars may undergo Bharat NCAP crash tests at speeds of 64 kmph to achieve the highest 5-star ratings, according to recommendations made by a task force headed by Pune-based Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI).

Crash testing at 56 kmph speeds will result in lower ratings in the range of 0.5-4.5 stars, according to the ET report.

The crash testing will be voluntary for the carmaker, and will be judged over and above the mandatory crash requirements of a vehicle, which is scheduled to tee off from October 2017 onwards.

Quote:
Any car meeting the NCAP safety requirements for adult, child and pedestrian safety when it meets an accident at 64 kmph will be given a five-star rating.

Other cars, which meet the similar safety requirements at 56 kmph, will be given ratings in the range of 0.5-4.5 stars. Carmakers will be scored on a points based system on how they meet individual safety requirements.

Bharat NCAP will also be the first rating system globally that aims to include pedestrian safety right at the inception stage with the intent that it will promote more pedestrian friendly designs.

"We have designed Bharat NCAP that will be conducive to Indian conditions as well as do justice to the customer. We are trying to strike a balance between the kind of infrastructure we have and the affordability of the customers," said AV Mannikar, senior deputy director, ARAI. Mannikar also headed the Bharat NCAP task force.
ET

Last edited by RavenAvi : 20th May 2016 at 10:47.
RavenAvi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd June 2016, 08:15   #33
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: --
Posts: 8,860
Thanked: 13,084 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

All car models to mandatorily have airbags, ABS & speed-warning system from October 2018

India will also have a rating system for cars based on fuel efficiency

The new offset and side impact crash regulations for new models will come into force from October 2017 and for existing models the timeline is October 2019.
Bharat NCAP will also mandate that the front of the vehicle be designed in such a way that injury to pedestrians is minimised.

Name:  52547113.png
Views: 2978
Size:  229.6 KB

Quote:
Experts said fitting airbags, ABS and speed warning systems should amount to about.`15,000 extra per vehicle
Quote:
The road transport and highways ministry has set October 2017 as the deadline for new model cars to pass minimum frontal and side crash tests besides pedestrian protection tests. The frontal crash tests will be at 64 km per hour (kmph), while the norm set for side crash tests is 50 kmph.
Maruti Suzuki's Response -
Quote:
Our objective is to make our products compliant with all future regulation, ahead of the timeline. In line with that objective, our recently introduced model Vitara Brezza has already been homologated for the upcoming offset and side impact regulation
http://auto.economictimes.indiatimes...-2018/52547111

Last edited by volkman10 : 2nd June 2016 at 08:24.
volkman10 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 14th June 2016, 10:05   #34
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: --
Posts: 8,860
Thanked: 13,084 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

India is now getting ready not only for mandatory tests for homologation (with a test speed of 56kph) but also for tests required for qualifying as per Global NCAP (GNCAP).

Quote:
GNCAP propagates vehicle testing speeds of 64kph. The ARAI team has also demonstrated our test capability for higher speeds. If Indian vehicle manufacturers would like to qualify their vehicles for high speeds, the test capability does exist for such an assessment.

The teams also discussed the status and rationale of the Indian regulatory framework and its alignment with the UN regulations. India plans to go ahead with 56kph test speed as the regulatory test requirement.
Once the regulations related to the full frontal vehicle crash, side crash and offset-frontal crash are established and implemented in 2017, new vehicles will achieve a certain level of safety. Anything over and above that safety level to qualify for higher safety norms is what is being talked about in the Bharat NCAP protocol. The draft is under finalisation and MoRTH will release it shortly.

The crash regulation will be mandatory from the year 2017 for new models. For the existing models, the mandate will be effective from 2019. So two years’ time is available to the vehicle manufacturers to comply with crash regulations of the existing models

Along with the crash regulations, there is a requirement related to pedestrian safety, which will be effective from October 2018 for new models and October 2020 for existing models.

Bharat NCAP, on the other hand, would be a voluntary scheme for the purpose of establishing safety ratings in the interest of consumers. Under the scheme, manufacturers will have an option of offering vehicle models for such an additional assessment for qualifying to star ratings.


Name:  crashhtc3712699x380.jpg
Views: 2810
Size:  138.4 KB


http://www.autocarpro.in/interview/-...age/1?id=20275

Last edited by volkman10 : 14th June 2016 at 10:10.
volkman10 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 14th June 2016, 13:27   #35
BHPian
 
rajivr1612's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Chennai
Posts: 282
Thanked: 220 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by volkman10 View Post
manufacturers will have an option of offering vehicle models for such an additional assessment for qualifying to star ratings.
But wouldn't this lead to manufacturers offering strengthened versions of their models for testing, get 5 stars, and then sell downgraded models to public. A la Renault with the Kwid GNCAP crash testing.
rajivr1612 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th June 2016, 13:49   #36
Senior - BHPian
 
KiloAlpha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cubicle
Posts: 1,197
Thanked: 1,308 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Quote:
Originally Posted by rajivr1612 View Post
But wouldn't this lead to manufacturers offering strengthened versions of their models for testing, get 5 stars, and then sell downgraded models to public. A la Renault with the Kwid GNCAP crash testing.
Euro NCAP and the US agencies (Consumer Reports, IIHS & NHTSA) all test both manufacturer submitted vehicles and vehicles bought anonymously from dealerships. If we follow the same model, it should prevent the scenario you mentioned.
KiloAlpha is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 09:00   #37
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: --
Posts: 8,860
Thanked: 13,084 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Future car models to have frontal protection system.
The protection system would involve changes in the designs of bumper, bonnets, leading edges windshield and pillars to absorb the impact of the crash through energy absorbing materials.

The new road safety guidelines would be part of the notification of roads transport and highways ministry that would make it mandatory for all cars to have star ratings based on their safety features.
The car safety test would also have a pedestrian protection score and for any car to get a five-star rating, it would be mandatory to have pedestrian safety features.
Name:  53054805.jpg
Views: 2512
Size:  41.2 KB

The notification to this effect is expected to be issued soon.

LINK

Last edited by volkman10 : 5th July 2016 at 09:02.
volkman10 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 11:57   #38
BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: MH14-KA01-TN19
Posts: 68
Thanked: 22 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Quote:
Originally Posted by volkman10 View Post
The protection system would involve changes in the designs of bumper, bonnets, leading edges windshield and pillars to absorb the impact of the crash through energy absorbing materials.
Wondering why (& how) to design energy absorber on Windshield & A-pillars? After-all, this will have minimal assist to pedestrians during injury.
anoop.nair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 12:25   #39
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bombay
Posts: 1,013
Thanked: 642 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Quote:
Originally Posted by volkman10 View Post
India is now getting ready not only for mandatory tests for homologation (with a test speed of 56kph) but also for tests required for qualifying as per Global NCAP (GNCAP).



Once the regulations related to the full frontal vehicle crash, side crash and offset-frontal crash are established and implemented in 2017, new vehicles will achieve a certain level of safety. Anything over and above that safety level to qualify for higher safety norms is what is being talked about in the Bharat NCAP protocol. The draft is under finalisation and MoRTH will release it shortly.

The crash regulation will be mandatory from the year 2017 for new models. For the existing models, the mandate will be effective from 2019.
Would you know if these crash test reports would be made public?
Currently ARAI does crash test these cars, but neither ARAI nor the manufacturer share the crash test reports.

I for one would feel much more comfortable with more transparency in the Crash testing process. Like GNCAP publishes the videos, even ARAI should publish videos of the actual crash, rather than just publishing a star rating.
Lalvaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 12:28   #40
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: --
Posts: 8,860
Thanked: 13,084 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lalvaz View Post
Would you know if these crash test reports would be made public?
Currently ARAI does crash test these cars, but neither ARAI nor the manufacturer share the crash test reports.
IMO, it will be made public similar to the GNCAP practice.

Currently you do not see since these tests results since they are not mandated.
volkman10 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 16:12   #41
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Chennai
Posts: 160
Thanked: 100 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Quote:
Originally Posted by rajivr1612 View Post
A la Renault with the Kwid GNCAP crash testing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KiloAlpha View Post
If we follow the same model, it should prevent the scenario you mentioned.
Actually, the vehicle to be submitted for assessment would be picked randomly from the batch of VIN numbers given by the manufacturer for that year. Manufacturers can't fix the vehicle as such for certification.

The random dealer testing will not be part as the test agency is not independent body as others and is an extension of the government ministry. (Would use the famous "Caged Parrot" term here, but this would be my personal opinion).

Quote:
Originally Posted by anoop.nair View Post
Wondering why (& how) to design energy absorber on Windshield & A-pillars? After-all, this will have minimal assist to pedestrians during injury.
A Pillars are excluded from the test zone specifications.

The test zones is for lower part of bumper and grille, the bonnet, and a portion of the windshield including the wipers and the scuttle / plenum trims




Last edited by rajess_in : 5th July 2016 at 16:13. Reason: missed the picture frame
rajess_in is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 6th July 2016, 12:06   #42
BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: MH14-KA01-TN19
Posts: 68
Thanked: 22 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Quote:
Originally Posted by rajess_in View Post
A Pillars are excluded from the test zone specifications. The test zones is for lower part of bumper and grille, the bonnet, and a portion of the windshield including the wipers and the scuttle / plenum trims
Yes. The focus being no hard-points during impact to reduce injury. The soft nose bumper concept is an aftereffect of this requirement. The energy absorbers are designed so that they are hit at the very first point of impact. Also IMO grills will have no EA .
anoop.nair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th August 2016, 09:05   #43
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: --
Posts: 8,860
Thanked: 13,084 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Seven vehicle testing centres worth Rs 3,700 cr to kickoff by 2017 in India. The vehicle testing centres are being set up by National Automotive Testing and R&D Infrastructure Project (NATRIP).
Quote:
Coming up in Manesar, Bengaluru, Rai Bareli, Silchar, Indore, Pune and Chennai. “Cars tested at these centres would be given star rankings just like it’s done for electronic appliances.
India will get seven fully operational vehicle testing facilities, including crash testing labs, by the next year to rate cars on their passenger safety features and fuel efficiency, allowing buyers to get an idea through star ratings.

A car would get a five star rating only if it has airbags, anti-lock braking (ABS) and speed-warning systems as standard equipment.


India is making star ratings mandatory for cars based on fuel efficiency parameters as well. Cars with maximum fuel efficiency would come with a five star tag.

The ministry of road transport and highways is making the frontal and side car crash tests mandatory for cars by October 2017 for new models and 2019 for current models. From next year, all new models will be launched with star ratings.

Source

Last edited by volkman10 : 30th August 2016 at 09:21.
volkman10 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 30th August 2016, 14:13   #44
BHPian
 
John Jacob13128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Chennai
Posts: 36
Thanked: 14 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

First of all , this is a great start in the right direction. The sooner we have a agency to set standards for car safety standards for Indian roads the better it is. But like everything else in India - it is open to rigging. Fingers crossed.
Secondly - Are we as customers ready to shell out to buy cars with these safety standards ? A current analysis of the market will show that a majority of the aam janta doesn't give a damn about safety. They need snazzy looks + gadgets + Hot wheels. Airbags ?? Nah rear parking camera please ! Unless all cars across all variants are made mandatory to have ABS+EBD+Airbags customers will always / majority go for the variants without these. And i don't see that happening.
John Jacob13128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd December 2016, 08:12   #45
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: --
Posts: 8,860
Thanked: 13,084 Times
Default Re: Crash Testing in India! The Bharat new vehicle safety assessment program

Indian auto Industry Fast Forward 2017 and beyond - CV Raman (Executive Director - Research & Development, Maruti Suzuki India) gives an insight to Crash tests, Emission norms, Fuel efficiency, the BS VI norms, Diesel vehicles and Mild Hybrid Technology!

volkman10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Issue with Honda dealer's (Magnum Honda) engine damage assessment Hells Bells Indian Car Dealerships 12 14th November 2012 15:00
Fuel efficiency assessment as a criterion in new cars Sawyer The Indian Car Scene 25 26th March 2010 15:16


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 06:47.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks