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Old 21st July 2014, 13:43   #166
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The i20 has this feature where when you lock the car, the ORVM folds by itself. Very convenient feature for most people but I would rather leave the mirror out when driving and when parking anywhere.

My reasons are two fold:
1. If I drive in a tight space, the ORVM give me a measure of how much gap I get between my car and an obstacle. If it brushes against the ORVM, well that's close but no scratch on the car body.

2. Same logic as above, if parked in housing society road or market, if someone drives close enough to my car they will brush against the mirror, not the body shell.

Scratches on the mirror is more acceptable and repairable than on the body shell. That's my opinion.
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The i20 has this feature where when you lock the car, the ORVM folds by itself.
Guite I think you have either confused yourself or have managed to confuse me completely bro.

From what I know (and seen), I20 has a button to manually Open & Close the Wing mirrors. It does not have an option of doing the same on 'Locking & Unlocking' of the car.

As far as the functionality goes, it really is quite convinient during parking your car on small streets where the wing mirrors are prone to damage even by people walking by the car!!
For me, a Scratch on the Mirror hurts just as much as one on the Fender.

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The folding mirrors on i20 are indispensable for me . Have to park very close to a wall . And its impossible to get down and manually close the left mirror.This is one invaluable feature! Wonder why none of the other premium hatches get this nifty feature
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From what I know (and seen), I20 has a button to manually Open & Close the Wing mirrors. It does not have an option of doing the same on 'Locking & Unlocking' of the car.
Dunno about Guite and his i20, but the ORVMs on the Grand i10 do close/open automatically on locking/unlocking the car. It's magic! There is of course a button too, for when you want to close/open the mirrors while sitting in the car.
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Actually tyres are no longer Accelere's. They have been changed to the new Apollo Alnac 4G tyres. These tyres have got very good reviews internationally.

Vid, the tyres are not Alnac 4G but just Alnac. I think there is a difference between the two.
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the ORVMs on the Grand i10 do close/open automatically on locking/unlocking the car.
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From what I know (and seen), I20 has a button to manually Open & Close the Wing mirrors.
It's my brother's i20. Just confirmed that folding is manual through a button inside. Sorry for the confusion caused.
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I have a question for the experts.

The Polo TDI and GT TDI have the same engine, but with different tunes.

Why can't VW do the same with the 1.2 TSI engine. Tune it to a lower state, say 85BHP and plonk into the standard version. Alternatively, they may just remove the turbo charging for the lower variants as well.

At least we will get a more refined 4 cylinder engine.

Wouldn't that be more cost efficient as well as the same engine is present in all petrol variants?

This questions has been bugging me. Hope to get a reply.
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Why can't VW do the same with the 1.2 TSI engine. Tune it to a lower state, say 85BHP and plonk into the standard version. Alternatively, they may just remove the turbo charging for the lower variants as well.

At least we will get a more refined 4 cylinder engine.
Agree, if VW had given us a Polo 1.2 manual TSi even with a lower BHP tune, I would have chosen it over the Zest that I have booked.
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I have a question for the experts.

The Polo TDI and GT TDI have the same engine, but with different tunes.

Why can't VW do the same with the 1.2 TSI engine. Tune it to a lower state, say 85BHP and plonk into the standard version. Alternatively, they may just remove the turbo charging for the lower variants as well.

At least we will get a more refined 4 cylinder engine.

Wouldn't that be more cost efficient as well as the same engine is present in all petrol variants?

This questions has been bugging me. Hope to get a reply.
Because I think the 1.2 TSI with DSG and ESP, hill hold etc. is like a kit that is plonked into various different body styles. I've noticed cars with that engine usually come with similar mechanicals/transmission, as mentioned earlier, across body types. It may cost VW a lot more to tweak this combo than to leave it as is and import the full combo.

I also think it has to do with where stuff is made. AFAIK the 1.2 TSI is sourced from a few global mother plants and is a global engine, while the 1.5 TDI is made in/for India, hence giving the company more flexibility to tweak it.
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I also think it has to do with where stuff is made. AFAIK the 1.2 TSI is sourced from a few global mother plants and is a global engine, while the 1.5 TDI is made in/for India, hence giving the company more flexibility to tweak it.
Makes sense. However, it TSI so complex that making it in India will require a niche set of skills?

What about the other TSI engines in VW range (1.4 or 1.8). Any idea if they all imported?
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Makes sense. However, it TSI so complex that making it in India will require a niche set of skills?

What about the other TSI engines in VW range (1.4 or 1.8). Any idea if they all imported?

It is not complexity, low volumes with Petrol are the reason. Apart from Maruti/Hyundai and to some extent Honda, Petrol there are virtually no cars with Petrol engines that sell in decent numbers.
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It is not complexity, low volumes with Petrol are the reason. Apart from Maruti/Hyundai and to some extent Honda, Petrol there are virtually no cars with Petrol engines that sell in decent numbers.
I don't think that is the case with Polo. The petrol-diesel split is pretty even for it.

It may change a bit with the new 1.5 diesel. But then the different of nearly 1.3 lacs between models is not going to help much.
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What about the other TSI engines in VW range (1.4 or 1.8). Any idea if they all imported?
Yes, I do believe that is the case.
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Alternatively, they may just remove the turbo charging for the lower variants as well.
This begs another technical question. If an engine is designed ground up to be turbocharged, can the turbo charger be removed subsequently and the engine deployed as such?
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This begs another technical question. If an engine is designed ground up to be turbocharged, can the turbo charger be removed subsequently and the engine deployed as such?
Should be possible. I have seen it being done the other way around, adding a TC to a NA engine, but that comes with a plethora of other problems. Like coding the ECU differently ( EGR, rail pressure, fuel mapping.. etc ) as many parameters would be entirely different for a NA as compared to a TC engine.

To the best of my knowledge even the gearing for an NA engine ideally should be different than the TCed engine because of different torque and bhp rating that too at different rpms. Then comes the clutch and drive train which again are more robust in TCed engine to handle additional torque increasing the over all cost. I am not sure if really taking out the turbo alone would make a huge difference in costing to the manufacturers.
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