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Old 17th August 2006, 23:29   #31
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Mitsubishi Montero Launched for 29.7

http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/ne...article/234990

powered by a 3.2 litre 16 valve DOHC Intercooled Turbocharged Diesel engine that produces a maximum power of 167.2 PS @ 3800 rpm and a remarkable maximum torque of 405 Nm @ 2000 rpm. Equipped with an electronic direct injection Diesel system the engine is designed to deliver high-torque performance in low and mid ranges offering superior off-road drivability.
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S-H-I-T....405 Nm....are these guys bonkers...? There must be some kind of mistake...this engine actually seems to be tuned upwards for the Indian market....the international variant makes much less...just about 375 Nm..

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Either HM has boosted the figures or its a typo for 375 or its axually 305nm after HM lessened the engine power.

Lets wait and watch.
At 29.7 though if the torque is 400+, boy toyota needs to think fast.
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Now different figures here. These figs look more realistic.

http://www.hindu.com/2006/08/18/stor...1803821800.htm

3.2 LTR
165 (2 horses down)
372.4 nm (whooping 32.5 nm down)

lets wait for the website to come up with real numbers.
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Here is a comparison of Montero with Safari and the Phillipine spec Fortuner

XXXXXXXX| Fortuner | Montero 3.2 | Safari DICOR 4x4
Length (mm) 4695 | 4830 | 4810
Width (mm) 1840 | 1885 | 1918
Height (mm) 1850 | 1885 | 1925
Ground Clearance (mm) 220 | 225 | 195
Turning Radius (m) 5.7 | 5.7 | 6.0
Wheel Base (mm) 2750 | 2780 | 2650
Power (ps/bhp)/Torque (NM) 163/343 | 158/373 | 115/300
Curb Weight (kg) 1945 | 2145 | 2225
Approach Angle (degrees) 30 | 39 | ?
Departure Angle (degrees) 25 | 24 | ?
Ramp Angle (degrees) 25 | 24.5 | ?

The Caveats:
The Montero 3.2 specs I lifted from the following UK site:
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/sho...sp?strCar1=KL1
The current US Montero Limited seems slightly smaller with less ground clearance. Also, the Safari ground clearance is laden (as reported in the tata site) whereas the Montero's is unladen. I don't know about the Fortuner. Anyone know the approach/departure/ramp angles for the Safari? Clearly, the Safari is slightly wider and taller than the Montero, but I am not sure that translates into more space inside. The rumoured 2.2 Safari DICOR will indeed be very competitive with reduced weight if they make their interior more up to date.

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There is a news on Montero launch in TOI too but hell nothing is mentioned about power or anything. The only figure provided is 29.7! And another news about HM's preparation for Outlander launch in first quarter of 2007!
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Typically Hindustan Motors. I spoke to the Metro Motors in Mumbai - a showroom which is owned by HM.

- They have no idea of the price. Just a vague "35 - 40 lacs" answer.

- They have no idea of the specifications, colour options or standard fittings?

- They dont have any brochures or even ONE photograph of the Montero.

- They dont know anything about expected delivery dates.

- They dont have a display car. And have no clue when they would get one ("Maybe by december).

Do these morons expect to sell any cars this way? HM Is clearly living in yesterday, where they create some buzz through news paper articles and expect people to sign on cheques? What about training their dealerships on information? Who the heck will buy a product without having a look at it, or meeting clueless idiots posing as sales reps?

Take a hike, HM!
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let me add that also the website is not up yet.

And again its going to be the same old meet new stuff. The old pajero will be sold alongside the montero. Heard that they have reduced to prices to less than 20lacs.

What next? third generation cars selling alongside first and second generation?
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let me add that also the website is not up yet.

And again its going to be the same old meet new stuff. The old pajero will be sold alongside the montero. Heard that they have reduced to prices to less than 20lacs.
Ex-showroom price of 18.18 lacs INR, came to 19.65 lacs on-road Gurgaon when I last asked them a month ago.......

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@GTO: Metro sucks. Try fortpoint. As I mentioned earlier, the prices, and indicative delivery period have already been released. No point in cursing the company. Some dealers are good, some aren't.

@Devarshi: The Pajero 2.8 retails for 18.5 lacs on-road, over here, in Thane. Which is pretty ok. There's no harm in selling the Montero beside the Pajero. Both are aimed at different segments.

The biggest shocker in the news today is that the Montero will be assembled here in the Future, AFTER significant volumes have been garnered. Are they NUTS? Isko bolte hain apni pair par kulhadi maarna. Except for the Uber-rich, nobody's gonna have a go at the Monty now. Everybody's gonna expect HM to start assembling the Monty here, and prices to fall, a-la Pajero 2.8 (whose prices were reduced from a whopping 25.8-GLX variant- to 18.6 lacs).

If things DO go as per what's given in the news, expect the Monty to retail for 25-26 ON-ROAD, within the next year or so.
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[quote=veyron1The biggest shocker in the news today is that the Montero will be assembled here in the Future, .[/QUOTE]


After its replacement has arrived in Japan, like the current Pajero
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No point in cursing the company. Some dealers are good, some aren't.
Metro Motors is owned by HM, and is the companys direct presence in the Mumbai market. And the last I heard...FortPoint is a sub-dealer who stills works and gets car supplies from Metro Motors.

Wouldnt you expect HM to atleast supply their own dealershup with more information on a new launch?
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After its replacement has arrived in Japan, like the current Pajero
By then, the 500 bhp X5 hybrid Tata Safari will be out. The current Pajero's replacement came in the form of Montero after 20 years or so.

@GTO: True. Fortpoint IS a multiple-brand sub-dealer. Yes, perhaps HM ought to equip their company dealerships with better staff and technical knowhow. BUT, HM has been Mitsu's partner only since the past 9 years or so. And HM has grown pretty decently. You have to give them SOME credit. Speaking of Metro, do you remember when Concorde used to be MB's direct presence over here in collaboration with Tata, much in the same fashion as HM is with Mitsu right now? Concorde used to be more or less like Metro itself. They didn't know much about MBIL's products/launches either. We didn't bash Tata for that now, did we.
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Speaking of Metro, do you remember when Concorde used to be MB's direct presence over here in collaboration with Tata, much in the same fashion as HM is with Mitsu right now? Concorde used to be more or less like Metro itself.
Well, Concorde has shut shop in Mumbai. Among other reasons, terrible management. I am a marketing guy, and to me it is inacceptable to launch a product in such a half-hearted manner.

Yes, Fortpoint did appear to have more information than Metro. They are sending across an information CD alongwith prices. The on-road price in Thane is 35.2 and in Mumbai it is 36.9.
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[quote=veyron1
@Devarshi: The Pajero 2.8 retails for 18.5 lacs on-road, over here, in Thane. Which is pretty ok. There's no harm in selling the Montero beside the Pajero. Both are aimed at different segments.

The biggest shocker in the news today is that the Montero will be assembled here in the Future, AFTER significant volumes have been garnered. Are they NUTS? Isko bolte hain apni pair par kulhadi maarna. Except for the Uber-rich, nobody's gonna have a go at the Monty now. Everybody's gonna expect HM to start assembling the Monty here, and prices to fall, a-la Pajero 2.8 (whose prices were reduced from a whopping 25.8-GLX variant- to 18.6 lacs).[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the info Veyron1.

The news you mentioned should not be a shocker. HM and mitsubishi have entered a pact where HM will be manufacturing cars for export for Mitsubishi. Going slowly from CBU to localization seems to be a good idea.

GTO:-Good to know that you got the information request fulfilled by fortpoint. Would love to know how that happened. Either metro motors were goofing or else Fortpoint has gone the extra length to serve its customer. Here is some more info for you.

http://www.lancerinindia.com/diff/im...nteropopup.jpg
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.in/#


But the fact still remains that HM lacks in proper marketing skills. But saying that they still live in the olden times would be a slightly extreme.
If you remember there was this launch of Mitsubishi Outlander scheduled before the MOntero. Hm decided to give India the latest version and the launch was stalled.

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