Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 2nd August 2006, 09:11   #16
Senior - BHPian
 
islero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chennai
Posts: 1,574
Thanked: 4 Times
Default

Indica Sport is not a bad idea, but image will severly hamper its popularity. Unless they do an extensive redesign of the bodyshell, it might not be worth it going forward with this venture, as enthusiasts will anyway avoid it because Indica is a family car/taxicab that kinda thing.
islero is offline  
Old 2nd August 2006, 10:15   #17
BHPian
 
Mp421b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 190
Thanked: 0 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by himanshugoswami
I thought that this engine already did duty on the Indigo!
Was talking about the new 1.4L with 100bhp.
Mp421b is offline  
Old 3rd August 2006, 03:21   #18
BHPian
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: North America
Posts: 960
Thanked: 4 Times
Default

Even though Tata sponsors Williams F1 team and Karthikeyan, they don't have any access to their technology. So don't be under the impression that Tata can incorporate some F1 technology into their cars because of their F1 association.
sujaylahiri is offline  
Old 3rd August 2006, 12:17   #19
Newbie
 
nirav_j's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 14
Thanked: 0 Times
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by islero
Indica Sport is not a bad idea, but image will severly hamper its popularity. Unless they do an extensive redesign of the bodyshell, it might not be worth it going forward with this venture, as enthusiasts will anyway avoid it because Indica is a family car/taxicab that kinda thing.
the only image tht comes to my mind when i see an indica is that of a call centre cab !!

i wouldnt want to own a sporty taxi .... tats for sure
nirav_j is offline  
Old 4th August 2006, 15:22   #20
BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 538
Thanked: 59 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by salilpawar1

Tata has all the resources with its partnership with Williams F1 and Narain Karthikeyan....
"Partnership" with Williams F1 ???? i don't think it goes anywhere beyond sponsorship. in practical terms at least. never mind what the agreement might say on paper.
hell_rider is offline  
Old 5th August 2006, 13:06   #21
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mumbai (MH-01)
Posts: 817
Thanked: 92 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mpower
The first problem is that TATA Indica does not have a sporty image so its going to meet the same fate as Hyundai trying to rub shoulders with Skoda and Mercs.

2nd prob is FE. People on low budget also have tight fuel budgets so its going to be a tough sell....but TATA is known to pull miracles, so lets wish them all the best and wait for the car.
People.... You are not getting my point....
See the Indica is quite a versatile platform. A redesign can take care of its image problem. Since FIAT is facing a problem in selling Palios. Tata can incorporate the awesome 1.6litre engine of the palio, or its own soon-to-be-launched 1.4litre 100 bhp unit and with some professional help from Indian tuners like J Anand and N Leelakrishnan (if not Williams F1) or may be even teambhpians, we can easily have a true blue Indian hot hatch.
salilpawar1 is offline  
Old 9th August 2006, 13:48   #22
Team-BHP Support
 
.anshuman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Good-Gaon
Posts: 7,734
Thanked: 9,136 Times
Default

its of no use for tata to launch the indica sport,they should first try to concentrate on how to tackle the diesel competition thats coming from other manufacturers.
.anshuman is offline  
Old 9th August 2006, 18:04   #23
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mumbai (MH-01)
Posts: 817
Thanked: 92 Times
Default

If not the Indica sport, can we expect something based on the Aria Coupe featured way back....
salilpawar1 is offline  
Old 19th August 2006, 15:36   #24
BHPian
 
Harrie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: KA 03, KL 12, TN 38
Posts: 699
Thanked: 20 Times
Default

My Indica Petrol has 75 bhp. A good head job should give it 10-15 bhp more. A free flow, cold air intake plus little tweaking of the ECU should get the power to 100 bhp. No big sweat making the indica hot hatch in terms of power. But the driving posistion spoils all the fun. It can never be a true hot hatch with that tall driving posistion.
Harrie is offline  
Old 19th August 2006, 19:56   #25
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mumbai (MH-01)
Posts: 817
Thanked: 92 Times
Default

the driving posn of the indica is not that bad...considering all modern cars have city friendly tall seating positions for ease of ingress/egress.

Here is a pic of the indica sport. sorry for the poor pic quality

Last edited by adya33 : 19th August 2006 at 23:48.
salilpawar1 is offline  
Old 1st March 2007, 16:48   #26
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mumbai (MH-01)
Posts: 817
Thanked: 92 Times
Default

Now that the Indica has improved a lot in the course of time and the 100 BHP engine already out in the Indigo... does this proposition make sense now??
salilpawar1 is offline  
Old 1st March 2007, 17:16   #27
Senior - BHPian
 
hydrashok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: In my Office
Posts: 2,528
Thanked: 14 Times
Default

For an Indica sport to work, IMHO:

1) It should not be called an Indica.
2) It must not look anything like an Indica.
3) Its name should not begin with Indi...

I guess a totally new car would be what we're looking at, right?

EDIT: Hmmm... very old thread. But what I said would still stand true.

Last edited by hydrashok : 1st March 2007 at 17:19.
hydrashok is offline  
Old 1st March 2007, 17:41   #28
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mumbai (MH-01)
Posts: 817
Thanked: 92 Times
Default

Ok I once again read this whole thread again... and this is what I have realised about the general perception of most of you guys here as follows:

1) People say that Indica never had a sporty image
So what... Zen, Esteem, Baleno, OHC (before Vtec was launched) did not have a *sporty* image originally. Zens and Esteems and Balenos never had any *dragster* image and Maruti never manufactured them with the intention that they could be modded and raced on drag strips...

2)Indica is still not a sorted out vehicle
I personally feel that Indica as of now is atleast 90% sorted out (in the Indian context). I guess the only major problem is the build quality but it is indeed showing some positive improvement off late...

3)Indica is basically a cab in India
The new Indica looks much different than the Indicabs now. Tata has ensured that they look as different as possible...

4)Indica sport (featured in the pic) is all show no go
It is not exactly all show no go. In 2002, when it was displayed it had an engine which was giving an output (85 bhp) which was more than the current output at that time (75 bhp). So at least theoritically, it had a performance edge over other omnipresent Indicas. In 5 years, the market has matured drastically and *all show no go* variants hardly sell these days (e.g. Chevy SRV, Lancer Cedia) So a 100 BHP indica is definitely a must.

5)Swift 1.3 will be a better choice
But a sport Indica will be atleast 50,000 to a lakh Rs. cheaper than the top of the line Swift and will leave a lot of extra cash to soup up for those on a budget....LOL!!

I don't say that I am 100% correct but I think my thoughts are very much valid.....
salilpawar1 is offline  
Old 1st March 2007, 18:01   #29
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mumbai (MH-01)
Posts: 817
Thanked: 92 Times
Default

Read this old article......
tata.com : Indica @ 180 kmph
salilpawar1 is offline  
Old 1st March 2007, 18:05   #30
BHPian
 
grvanand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 211
Thanked: 0 Times
Default

I dont see any point in putting Fiat 1.6 engine in Indica. Palio is a lot better car than Indica and Palio 1.6 doesnt suffer any Image Problem in anybodys minds w.r.t. it being hot hatch. Since Tata & Fiat have collaborated, it would be better if the hot hatch is Palio and basic car be Indica. IMO, this would be a better product differentiation and both could co-exist even though they belong to the same segment.
As for competition to Palio 1.6, I would like to see a Swift with 1.6 engine. Thats some doing.
grvanand is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rumour: Tata working on Tiago Sport; Bolt Sport shelved dZired The Indian Car Scene 69 23rd April 2018 14:27
Tata Prima and Indica sport at the Expo(and some misc) tsk1979 The Indian Car Scene 10 6th January 2010 11:20
Tata Indica V2 DLS customized vs Tata Indica V2 DLX karikrishni Hatchbacks 20 12th November 2009 10:59
New Indica Launch 16th May EDIT:Indica LPG launched Car-Agey The Indian Car Scene 96 12th July 2008 00:47


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 05:59.

Copyright 2000 - 2018, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks