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Old 21st October 2014, 23:58   #31
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Old 22nd October 2014, 00:28   #32
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But isn't that more of an advertisement?

They have just mentioned 'with biomechanical limits'. And the video is not shown for the full impact. It stops right after the crash. Would have been interesting to know if the Smart was thrown towards the rear afterwards?
Smart is a special case as it has extraordinary reinforcement in its passenger shell. Nevertheless what you fear does occur in this test:

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There has been a lot of discussion on whether cars manufactured in India have the same structural integrity as those manufactured in other nations. Today we have confirmation from Volkswagen that their cars are identical:

"A Volkswagen spokesperson said its cars made in India at its Chakan facility are “identical in build quality” and structural integrity parameters in comparison to cars rolling out of its other facilities across the world."

http://www.financialexpress.com/news...body/1302270/2

Hence, if we accept this statement. we can conclude that at least Volkswagen cars models made at Chakran would do equally well in crash tests apart from the possible lack of side and curtain airbags and ESP.
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"A Volkswagen spokesperson said its cars made in India at its Chakan facility are "identical in build quality" and structural integrity parameters in comparison to cars rolling out of its other facilities across the world."

http://www.financialexpress.com/news...body/1302270/2

Hence, if we accept this statement. we can conclude that at least Volkswagen cars models made at Chakran would do equally well in crash tests apart from the possible lack of side and curtain airbags and ESP.
So that makes the Vento TSi a true ASEAN NCAP 5 star product in India. The other variants would qualify for a 4 star only thanks to absence of ESC, but praiseworthy nevertheless.

Good move from Volkswagen. I hope they get a good response and get encouraged to continue with this move.

On a related note- While researching for my thread on the new 4th gen Honda City, I went to the websites of popular manufacturers in many countries. All of them had different designs and formats compared to their Indian versions. I was truly surprised to see VW Malaysia website a carbon copy of their India site.
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Just saw this, Shocking!!

Now Maruti Suzuki Swift and Datsun Go Fail NCAP Crash Tests | Read

http://auto.ndtv.com/news/now-maruti...h-tests-688031


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"The popular Maruti Suzuki Swift and the Datsun Go have failed the latest round of Indian crash tests carried out by Global NCAP. The Go is an entry-level model, which competes with Maruti Suzuki's Alto800 and Hyundai Eon, while the Swift is positioned as a more premium hatchback.
The Swift has received a zero star rating in the 64km/h frontal collision test. Two variants of the car were tested - one exported by Maruti to Latin America and another which sells as the base variant here in India. Latin American market regulations mean that car's base variant too has airbags/ABS, while in India neither is standard.

Global NCAP's testing protocol mandates that all cars (including base variants) must carry at least airbags and ABS to get its certification; and so on that count alone the Indian Swift model failed the test even before the crash happened. The crash analysis showed the crash-test-dummies having sustained near-fatal injuries, more so in the case of the driver. The car's structural integrity was also deemed as unstable. And this is a key point, given the made-in-Europe Swift has a much sturdier structure and had achieved a 5-Star crash certification from Euro-NCAP.
The Latin American export Swift got a 3-Star rating, chiefly due to the presence of airbags/ABS, which meant fewer injuries to the crash-test-dummies. But structurally that car performed similarly to the other Swift. (Watch:the test preparations and actual crash of Latin American export variant)
But it isn't just about adding airbags or ABS, as the Datsun Go's crash test shows. The car's body shell disintegrated severely during the same kind of test. Of course the lack of airbags further compounded the potential injuries. The driver and passenger dummies sustained fatal injuries to the head, torso and legs.
Last year Global NCAP had carried out the first round of India tests, where the Tata Nano, Hyundai i10, Maruti Alto800, Ford Figo and VW Polo had been crashed. None of the cars had passed due to a lack of airbags as standard, with the smaller cars faring poorly on build quality too. (Read: Details of the first round of India crash tests by Global NCAP - http://goo.gl/oQxusl)
The focus of these tests is to create awareness amongst Indian consumers, and also suggest the adoption of safety protocols by the government. Very often manufacturers claim they don't offer safety features in base versions due to lack of demand by consumers. (Read: What should you keep in mind when buying a car - http://goo.gl/FDuqFM)
There is a draft bill on road safety that has been prepared by the NDA government, and set to Parliament. Sharing details of the new bill with NDTV, the Road Transport Ministry says it proposes the setting up of an India NCAP and adoption of safety standards that will mirror what's currently mandated in Western Europe.
PS: All manufacturers whose cars are crash tested are always informed and invited to witness the test. We sought reactions from both Maruti Suzuki and Datsun. While Maruti has offered us no comment/statement, Nissan India which owns Datsun has told NDTV: Automotive regulation standards in fast-growing countries are constantly evolving and as a global manufacturer, we are willing to adopt as well as help evolve standards in vehicular safety."
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Body shell itself being rated unstable, points to poor structural rigidity in both the Swift and Datsun Go. I feel, the base and top-variants (with airbags) of all cars sold in the Indian market should ideally be tested (by an independent agency / Indian govt.) to give a clear picture of the safety of vehicles we Indians intend to purchase.

Cost-cutting related to safety in base (and possibly other lower & mid) variants will come to light and force manufacturers to take corrective action or cease resorting to cost saving measures. Customers will end up paying more and might have to accept slightly lesser fuel efficiency as well, but atleast it will lessen the loss of lives in accidents that happen everyday.

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Hence, if we accept this statement. we can conclude that at least Volkswagen cars models made at Chakran would do equally well in crash tests apart from the possible lack of side and curtain airbags and ESP.
Although I can understand the build quality may be the same but, I really doubt that with side and curtain airbags missing Indian Vento TSI(with ESP) will still be able to get 4 stars. I mean, look at their side hit videos. The only reason those heads on dummies survive are because of those side and curtain airbags. Its clear from the videos that even if you wear seat belts, without side curtains your heads are at high risk in event of side impact.

However, credit to where its due, no matter 3 or 4 star, no doubt Volkswagen group tried to build a good safe car for India. If we need 6 airbags, we have Ecosport but, do we want power or safety at the same cost?
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Although I can understand the build quality may be the same but, I really doubt that with side and curtain airbags missing Indian Vento TSI(with ESP) will still be able to get 4 stars. I mean, look at their side hit videos. The only reason those heads on dummies survive are because of those side and curtain airbags. Its clear from the videos that even if you wear seat belts, without side curtains your heads are at high risk in event of side impact.

However, credit to where its due, no matter 3 or 4 star, no doubt Volkswagen group tried to build a good safe car for India. If we need 6 airbags, we have Ecosport but, do we want power or safety at the same cost?
There is no doubt that side and curtain airbags are vital as is ESP. I would never purchase a car without these safety features as far as possible. Jetta and the Passat come with these options.

I was simply talking about just the structural integrity as many posters have raised concerns regarding possible difference in build quality for India made cars.
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Global NCAP Asks For Withdrawal of Datsun Go From India
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Latest ASEAN NCAP for 2015 Malaysian built i10 scores poorly in AOP, scoring 4.40 points, which is in 1-Star category

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