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Old 7th November 2014, 14:54   #31
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I would like to add to the statistics with figures for segment-wise market share over a period of last month, 3 months and 6 months. These numbers give a fair picture of each vehicles market share within its own segment and whether they are gaining or losing.

Segmentation might not be perfect but I have done it to the best of my knowledge. I have left out some vehicles that have negligible impact in overall market share. Have also highlighted (in yellow) top 10 sellers for each month over the past six months. Plus one can see the segment-wise total sales trend over the past six months (horizontal colour-scale). Hope this is helpful.

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What is with Amaze, Mobilio and brio? Why do they have do fluctuating sales figures month after month? Is it because they might be sharing the production facility which keep switching priorities as per demand?

Two good things: Innova still shining and Zest outsold Amaze.
Zest is a good car.

Honda used to sell City consistently and they continue to do so. Mobilio is just initial hype. If you compare any model with Ertiga which also comes with offers now. there is a huge difference of 1Lakh plus(atleast in bangalore i see this)

I dont think Mobilio has anything that is worth 1.5 Lakh extra?
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Thanks Aditya for a great report as always. Rather than my usual mini conclusion as per the company, I would do a model to model analysis

1) Honda Amaze.
Yo Yo ride. One month you are touching almost 7K and the other month, its 50% of that.
Reason- Honda management plays juggernaut with their models MoM.

Who wins this month- Zest

2) City
Initial bump and dethroning of the "King". Marginally though.
It still enjoys the brand image and the aspiration that MSIL lacks.

Coming months can see it going neck to neck (or maybe overtake the Ciaz).
Niggles galore though have taken a beating on Honda.

3) Verna
Reminds me of the song by Ludracris-"Move B***h".

Thats Verna for you. Up, Up and Away.

And just my thought:

The Solaris inspired facelift could just tank the Verna Sales further.

4) Wagon R


Another case of "Up Up and Away", but unlike the Verna, this is flying.
Almost 20 years and you still rule in the top 5, YoY.

What more to say. Supremely reliable, spacious and supremely "un-engaging" to drive.
The Wagon R, now coming soon with an All New AMT!!

Result: BLOCKBUSTER.

5) Zest
Zest ka jest mat udao (Dont mock the Zest!!).
3.5K is a tad under performing.

Had Tata enjoyed even half the trust Maruti does, Zest would have been in the 7K levels.

Superb car let down only by reputation of the company.
It will settle in the 2.5K-3K mark.

6) Elite i20

Uncompromisingly compromised!!

You remove airbags and you remove DRLs and a half baked MID.
Yet it is a looker.

What do you get. A red hot 8.5K dish for Hyundai.
Drool and very edible.
No doubt, people flock and want a share!!

It is a perfect example:
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7) Punto Evo

What a momemtary spike.
Well, this is the reason.

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(He is already a legend now ;-) and probably Fiat's best friend!!)

8) Ciaz
The car is a better hit than its brand ambassador ;-).
Dethroning City and taking the Numero Uno position.

Question is in its sustainability.

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Also, can someone enlighten me why does Wagon-R sell ? Especially, in the numbers that it sells (14k copies a month !) Can understand Alto, Dzire and Swift numbers, but a Wagon-R ? Isn't Ritz a much better option for someone looking to stay a segment below Swift ?
Wagon R is the only option in the sub 5L segment for people who are very tall or aged, with an easy ingress/egress comfort. A 6'2' colleague said that he prefers his Wagon R more than Duster for his driving and it costs half the amount initially during purchase as well as on fuel bills. This is not the only factor but one of the factors.

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Over a month back i was stuck in traffic-jam and it was stand still. So just got down from my car and took a pic of the long traffic jam.
Very surprising to note that there are no two wheelers cutting the line and standing in between the cars.

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Thanks Aditya for the sharing the much awaited thread of every month.
Will Ciaz maintain those numbers and be above CITY, have to wait and see.
Eitei20, seems to have won the hearts of market, in otherwise not so attractive designed peers. (Again, design or style is personal choice - so no debate there).
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I wonder what will be the future of the Datsun brand and specifically the Go in India now that Max Mosley has bunged in an axe into the works of Nissan-Renault. A comparison of the sales numbers have shown that for the last three months the sales of the Go are just about creeping up slowly and then this NCAP thing. I think that Max Mosley has some issue to settle with Carlos Ghosn and therefore the special personal latter to the latter asking him to pull the car out of the Indian market. This is going beyond the mandate of the NCAP and knowing Mosley's history as the President of the FIA and his ability to hold vendetta and grind axes, this is not all surprising. In the spy gate scandal involving F1 figures Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan, McLaren were found to be in possession of the intellectual property of Ferrari and Mosley made sure that McLaren's the then team Principal Ron Dennis with whom Mosley shared a fractious relationship paid a fine of a 100 million British Pounds.

This is not to say that all is fine with the Datsun Go but what surprises me is that many Indian cars including the Maruti Suzuki Swift and all the Tata cars have scored a zero. I think the only exception was the Vento/Polo platform from VW which scored about 4. I am not really sure if the kind of negative publicity that Mosley has unleashed is totally deserved because the man has been known to be vindictive and finally a sting operation by the News of the World purportedly sponsored by some F1 teams and supposedly headed by Ron Dennis that undid him. He was caught on camera playing a Nazi who was hitting some 5 women (all hired prostitutes) to do sexual favours for him. He is dubious, and I don't trust one bit. Ergo the Datsun Go is perhaps no better or worse than the other Indian cars that have failed the test spectacularly.
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However I'll be interested to see the November sales if the 0-star rating for the Swift and Go has any effect or not
I would guess that November sales will be on the same lines as 90% of our people are not bothered about the safety features.
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I would guess that November sales will be on the same lines as 90% of our people are not bothered about the safety features.
I would say 1/3rd are not bothered, 1/3rd are not aware and rest can not afford them. When I bought my Swift 6 years ago, I did not even have additional 20K for ABS as I already was on stretched budget. Also, I was actually not fully aware of the usefulness of the safety features at that point of time.

However, now I have more options, knowledge and money to go for safety features and my next car (whenever it will come) will not be without these features.

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Two of the most unsafe cars on the Indian roads, "alto" and the "swift" make up for around 33,000 units, that is our car market
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...As far as Ciaz denting City's numbers, its really a case of a new car's initial 3-4 months. Ciaz's Booking started long back and these are just the back-logs clearing out and will be so for another 2-3 months at least. In fact, if you look at the third month sales of the New City, it had crossed 9500 Cars in March-2014. Honda City has sold 7000+ cars for 7 months straight from its launch. Ciaz in only its second month hasn't been able to cross that...
In Maruti's defence,
1) Even City has a huge backlog due to the production being stopped for couple of months and other production issues. So, even these numbers could be the backlogs clearing out; might need to wait to see the real impact of CIAZ.
2) When City came in, the only real competition was the relatively old, boat like Verna. For CIAZ, the competition is the relatively new, all praised, champ of the segment, the City. That might be one of the reasons for the difference in initial numbers. I am not sure City will continue to do the 7000-9000 numbers now with CIAZ in the picture.
3) Presumambly, CIAZ also has vendor issues in production of some critical component and we do not know the impact/constraint in production yet. The two top end models - Z(O) and Z+ - and the automatic versions are not yet available in the market and in many places, even the test drive is not yet (or just) started. I guess, the numbers will increase in the next months.
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Maruti & Hyundai continue to rule the Indian car market. It is sad to see that Ford Fiesta numbers are not improving

Omni + Eeco ~10000

Most of the Omnis I have seen are not used for commuting. It is used by farmers & small scale businesses to transport luggage. So we can say that Omni is the cheap & fuel efficient cargo carrier for the common man. Safety of the driver is a concern though, but hopefully the buyers already know that.

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Two of the most unsafe cars on the Indian roads, "alto" and the "swift" make up for around 33,000 units, that is our car market
What are the alternative options we have instead of alto? Scooters/Motor bikes? Auto rickshaws? public transport?

Do you think any of the options mentioned above are better than 'alto'. The recent discussion about CAR safety in this forum is conveniently ignoring the ROAD safety requirement of a common man. India is a country with one of the lowest number of vehicles per capita (41 cars per 1000 - ranks at 129 internationally). Which means, majority of the population is relying on bikes, auto rickshaws, taxis, public transport etc for their daily commutes.

As you mentioned, more than 60% of car sales come from A, B1, B2 segments. Even in B1, B2 segments the lower end variants constitutes the major share. Cost is a major concern for us Indians.

When I decided to buy a car about 2 years ago, safety was an important concern for me, which meant I needed more money. Result? - The purchase was delayed by one more year. Was I any safer on my bike over that one year period?

So, no, we can not just root for banning alto and the likes. What we need is a choice for end customer to make an informed purchase. India should device a safety testing program, and all variants of all cars should carry the safety rating on the wind-shield. This should be mandated by law.

This will in turn force all car makers to build safer cars

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Clarification sought: The chart says that the total number of premium cars sold in October, in India was 10. Does this mean that BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Toureg, Bentley etc all put together sold a total of 10 pieces in October. I am surprised how low that is. Could the more experienced BHPians clarify please. Thanks in advance for your trouble.
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I am looking forward next month's sales figures of Swift and Go after the NCAP test results. I really want zero shipments of these cars to break Maruti's ego and attitude.
Clearly, Hyundai is equally bad going by the i10 data from last year. If you take out Maruti and Hyundai from the equation, the potential customers are not really having too much choice in a lot of parts in the country. There are no safe options instead of GO in that price band.

If we consider the safe options like Ford, Fiat or VW as alternates, those are an option only to a very small fraction who lives in the tier 1/2 cities. For most others in India, none of these brands have a presence and these are not really an option for them. Tata, Mahindra and probably Chevy are the only other options for them. Considering all the Chevy we get are really rebadged Chinese and Korean cars, we can't expect them to be any better than the usual cars for other manufacturers in these countries.

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Two of the most unsafe cars on the Indian roads, "alto" and the "swift" make up for around 33,000 units, that is our car market
Did you forget the additional 20000 Dzires that share the same front end with the Swift? Also, the Hyundai vehicles are in the same bucket. So the 33k you mentioned is really closer to 1 lakh or more in terms of the real number.

If you consider Omni, Wagon R, Nano, Santro, i10 etc to be more safe than Swift just because you heard that the Swift got 0 stars and an unstable structure rating in the last week, then I have nothing more to say.
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Isn't it always the same? Be it the Jazz, Evalia and now the Fiesta. That is the reason the initial launch is pretty crucial. Ford messed it up and the car died. Reducing the price now is not going to help much as the perception is hard to change. In addition, I still fail to see any significant advertisement campaigns from Ford for the Fiesta. A massive marketing undertaking might just save the car.
The reason Fiesta is not selling more is because Ford is not producing more. Here in Bengaluru, dealers get just about 6 cars a month from Ford while the demand is a lot more. They just end up dissuading prospective customers and push them towards Ecosport, Figo etc. Also to be kept in mind is the fact the New Updated Fiesta has seen a limited launch in select cities/ perhaps only the metros. As an example, when I inquired about the car from a dealer in Lucknow, was amazed to find out that it has still not been launched there!
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Where is the stingray? Was it dropped from maruti's stable? Or is it combined with wagon-r's numbers?
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