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Old 13th April 2015, 19:52   #136
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Is this the same judge who passed the Sun Film ban order as well? I guess banning is the first things our judges seem to consider instead of thinking of ways to see that laws for Pollution Checks etc are implemented. We/the political class as well as th judiciary/tribunals always seem to think that Banning something is the easiest solution without actually considering the consequences.

I do not think this kind of draconian orders which defy common sense would actually stand if challenged. Add to it the pressure from truckers and common people facing lower resale prices as well as the complete unfeasibility of implementation would ensure that some kind of clarification or new law from Road Ministry would be on its way in some time.
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My personal view: With judiciary involved and taking suo-moto decisions, no one stands a chance to challenge these guys. (ego issues, you see!)

Govt. is the only party that can help by overwriting this with new laws, which the NGT can not find the reasons to object to.
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NGT orders are challengeable in the Supreme Court, and if we can prove malafide intentions if the petitioners or unfeasibility of the the order, it will be overturned.

If you want to get the govt. involved, then we have to muster the numbers.
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Very clearly 10 year rule on Diesel is baseless, NGT has no answers except rhetoric that Delhi people are living in poison and this that. Neither the residents, nor the car owners would benefit. The only group that would benefit from this is the AUTO MAKERS. Is it a move via the Auto Lobby? Who lobbied for this? Do you think that middle class has money to change car every 9 years? And where will the car go? Scrap? Why? And if this, then what is the need of PUC check? Suggestion: Instead of this stupidity, make PUC check more strict. Don't give permits to polluting vehicles. Instead of age bar on vehicles, bring it on the Netas
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NGT orders are challengeable in the Supreme Court, and if we can prove malafide intentions if the petitioners or unfeasibility of the the order, it will be overturned.

If you want to get the govt. involved, then we have to muster the numbers.
I know, I'm not questioning the legality of the approach. But going directly to the court won't help. Judiciary is pro such banning orders, they've always been and common sense is not the principle used normally.

Considering the other option is to check 10x more number of cars for fitness (hard work!), they would only find ban as the most feasible option.

The other way to look at this is, that Judiciary does such things to force the govt. to make new/ better rules, because the govt. otherwise doesn't move at all. And sometimes even after irrational bans the govt. refuses to move, like the sun-film ban.

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2 weeks seems to be correct.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/46904677.cms.......
I thought the rules were to be made by Central Govt. and the NGT asked Delhi Govt. for suggestions? This seems futile.

We'll be asked to record pollution with cellphone cameras and send on whatsapp
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I'm still wondering at which point did the whole ruckus suddenly started pointing towards passenger cars in particular. I remember that some days ago a very prominent news channel had quoted a survey dictating that most of the diesel pollution was from other diesel engines like generators, water pumps, other industrial or commercial engines and also trucks and lcv's etc all of whom don't have any puc checking done. Ever. The passenger cars have much more strict rules to abide to and are comparitively at better working conditions as they are private vehicles. I mean, you can't mix kerosene in a car like say, a verna and drive away happily. It's the other culprit users who have to be curbed. Also, first the immediate manufacturing of the diesel cars should be stopped first with immediate effect and stricter pollution norm diesel engines be allowed to be produced only.
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Also, first the immediate manufacturing of the diesel cars should be stopped first with immediate effect and stricter pollution norm diesel engines be allowed to be produced only.


Why should the production of diesel cars be stopped? This makes absolutely no sense. The newer engines are compliant to the current norms set and followed in the country.

Stricter norms should be enforced, I'd agree. An equivalent of the MoT Test might be a better solution.


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Instead of a few really old well maintained vehicles, we'll see a lot of ill-maintained vehicles on the road. NGT would then say that all the 9-10 year old vehicles are causing pollution and change the lifetime to 7 years, then to 5 years and so on.
I fully agree!! Also if this silly suggestion is implemented, the NGT will get bolder and then suggest that all 10/7/5 year old petrol vehicles be banned, then say that people can use public transport only, then say please ride bicycles and walk across Delhi to reduce pollution.
Does any member have any information regarding the power of the NGT? Who are they? what qualification is required to be a member of NGT? Is it a full time job or are vested interests holding membership there (hint NGOs)
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Bad for Delhi, Good for Agrahttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/46911425.cms
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RTO's are not even dealing with papers of such cars.
So unless being sold within family/known people, it does not make sense at all, since the ownership will not get transferred.
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NGT has stayed the ban until May 1st

http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...ors_picks=true
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Why should the production of diesel cars be stopped? This makes absolutely no sense. The newer engines are compliant to the current norms set and followed in the country.

Stricter norms should be enforced, I'd agree. An equivalent of the MoT Test might be a better solution.


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I actually meant stopped in the current state of engine setup. Sorry, my bad. They can upgrade the mills to maybe BS5 or BS6. The wise guys are strongly suggesting directly jumping from BS4 to BS6. Not that it's a bad idea, in fact it will be better for all of us. Only hope they don't compromise on performance/grunt in the process.

I strongly feel that they should try to pin-point and eliminate all the other types of diesel engines which don't have anybody to control their pollution factor with puc etc, after providing valid and practical options of course.
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It looks like a gain for Agra but on the other hand, Agra should be equally if not less bothered about pollution as the Taj Mahal is quiet sensitive and vulnerable as higher pollution levels there, can damage the marble.
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Why can't NGT keep it simple and ask us to roll back the clock and start using bullock carts and Horse driven wagons instead.

Honestly, there are several private diesel vehicles which are >10 years and don't pollute as much as a badly maintained 2/3 year old commercial vehicle. Also, the diesel pollution is due to ill maintained generators, agricultural equipment etc. There's no need to ban vehicles over 10 years old at present or anytime in the near future.

The need of the hour is strict pollution checks with good calibrated meters, good foolproof law enforcement and steep fines (with vehicle impounding). Implemented, this will solve a lot of our problems and clean up the air. Also, please supply electricity regularly so that those diesel generators can be ditched for good.
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It looks like a gain for Agra but on the other hand, Agra should be equally if not less bothered about pollution as the Taj Mahal is quiet sensitive and vulnerable as higher pollution levels there, can damage the marble. A little gain now can be fatal in the long run for Agra.
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Why can't NGT keep it simple and ask us to roll back the clock and start using bullock carts and Horse driven wagons instead.
Even that is no longer an option! Such a move would provoke the Ministry for Animal Welfare to step in and prosecute anyone owning such a vehicle for showing cruelty to animals.

Also, even bullocks and horses are not "emission-free" and can create a public health issue in crowded areas unless the local authorities would go behind each wagon and cleans up.
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