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Old 11th April 2015, 12:55   #121
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The most practical suggestion to come out of this thread is differential taxation based on emissions. I would add a recurring cost every year for higher emission vehicles.


All old/new cars can be covered and will lead to altered buying behaviour over time. And also make car manufacturers invest more in R and D to reduce emissions.
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deep_bang, I called the authority to enquire if they can issue an NOC so that the vehicle can be registered in any other state but they refused to issue the same.
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Yesterday saw in the news that after the NGT order prices of used diesel cars have gone down by considerable amount.

Today saw the article in Times of India that largest truckers union is threatening to go on a strike if NGT does not retract the order.

In my opinion its only a matter of time before somebody would challenge this NGT order in courts and get a temporary stay and used car prices will go up. Before this happens prospective car buyers have a small window of opportunity to buy a used diesel car for a bargain price.
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Clash of the titans: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/46884361.cms.

Don't throw away that 10-year-old diesel car - better still, buy a few at throwaway prices!
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Yesterday saw in the news that after the NGT order prices of used diesel cars have gone down by considerable amount.

Today saw the article in Times of India that largest truckers union is threatening to go on a strike if NGT does not retract the order.

In my opinion its only a matter of time before somebody would challenge this NGT order in courts and get a temporary stay and used car prices will go up. Before this happens prospective car buyers have a small window of opportunity to buy a used diesel car for a bargain price.
Who else than our very own Minister of Road Transport - Mr. Nitin Gadkari can be the best person to do it. Don't worry. He has asked his team to work and prepare a strong case to challenge this.
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Old 12th April 2015, 00:22   #126
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The order send out by the NGT in its attempts to decrease the level of pollution in New Delhi, is simplistic in nature. Thier attempts to make it simple for the understanding of implementors, To implement it in earnest would be different task altogether. If a Diesel vehicle is beyond a stipulated age, then its supposed to be taken off New Delhi roads, whether by turning back those vehicles to thier home states, those that are not registered in New Delhi--Transport trucks, other vehicles etc--or towing those vehicles to an isolated place or impound--Thats going to be a task in itself!

The breaking down of the order into a binary choice : Whether a Diesel vehicle irrespective of its class is above the stipulated age=Yes/No , If Yes then as a consequence The Vehicle not supposed to be plying on New Delhi roads, as it would inevitably contribute to Pollution in the city.Else, the Vehicle can Ply on Delhi Roads, irrespective of the authencity of its PUC, Fitness certificate etc.Makes the order look flawed!, and there can be many arguments put forward in an attempt to prove the fallacy of the order--As has already been done by many T-Bhpians already.

Nevertheless, it is the breaking down of the order in a binary choice.Evidently, makes it simple for those who are supposed to implement it: The ground personnel, Traffic police. People on the ground whom are supposed to implement the order accompanied by thier challan books and thats it. The NGT assumption that by implementing the order in earnest, would gradually decrease the Pollution level and make the New Delhi adequate for breathing and that this would be a infallible way of dealing with the problem: Is a mistaken belief.

Perhaps, NGT mistaken belief is based on the fact that Vehicular Pollution is the Major contributor to Pollution in New Delhi. Regardless, The implentation of the solitary order itself would not drastically change the situation. But, NGT thinks it will change the situation. One believes, It has to accompanied by the Voluntary efforts of Delhites to give up thier personal Vehicles to commute within the city, taking recourse to car-pooling , or looking for alternative means of transportation: Delhi Metro: Yes, rest of the Public transport : Not sure!!?. Well, then the onus of augumenting the rest of the Public Transport lies with the Delhi Govt.--And that machinery turns real slow!

I think, the implementation of the order accompanied with the measures above may make a change to the situation for the benefit of everyone.

By the By, The implementation of the order in its entirety can be questioned in multifarious ways : The number of personnel on the ground to implement it, Thier predilection for bribes and looking the other way would affect its implementation.The transport lobby already in arms, they seemed to have fired the first salvo as well.
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Old 12th April 2015, 08:46   #127
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While NGT has its heart in the right place, it seeems to have acted in haste:

1) It is not a legslative chamber that can frame laws.
2) There are laws under which states register a vehicle for 15 years and charge a tax. How can NGT take a decision which will effect people who have already paid the tax and are in conformity with the existing law.
3) Despite Supreme Court judgements, the eastern and western bypass highways have not been completed as a result of which the trucks transit thrrough Delhi. Why has the NGT not taken action against the State/ Central Government bodies responsible for implementation of the Supreme Court orders.
4) The infrastructure to prevent overloaded vehicles that was to be created ( Roll On Roll Off weight bridges at the entry points, provision for u turns for non compliant vehicles and the manpower needed for inspections) bygovernment bodies has not happened. What steps are being taken against senior officials like Chief Secretary of NCT Delhi, and other top bureaucrats who were responsible?
5) Will it not be a better solution to improve the air quality by improving the quality of fuel which is mostly supplied by PSU Oil Marketing Companies? With the crude prices comfortable levels, theese companies have become profitable ( they are not passing on the complete benefit of falling crude prices to customers) and can invest in upgrading the quality of fuel supplied.
6) Lastly NCT has issued diktats which ahave heart ordinary citizens without much improvement in the situation at ground level. It announced a no construction zone in a 10 Km radius of the Okhla Bird sanctuary, bringing the real estate industry to its knees. Thousands of apartments got stuck midway and buyers who had invested their hard earned money were left high and dry with emi's to be paid and delayed possession.

The governement would do well to think before giving such sweeping powers to tribuanals who clearly are taking ill -considered decisions which have far reaching implications for the country's economy and its citizens .

As pointed out by the PM, the whole process of tribunals which are quazi judicial bodies aimed at speeding up justice delivery needs a relook.
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Old 12th April 2015, 08:54   #128
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Like ss traveller said, it's time to make merry. 3-4 year old cars are on offer with good cuts on the price. Go for a for year old endy or safari. Dealers are up in arms saying they're facing upto a 70% drop in prices.
I mean, how many of us worry about resale when we buy a most impractical car?
Me? I'm putting out feelers for the xenon.

This order is bound to fall flat, even if you only consider the life tax remainder on these cars.

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Old 12th April 2015, 18:59   #129
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This is due for quite for sometime. Truckers are threatening to strike seeking the revoke of the NGT Ban in New Delhi.
(Saw the news in Times now but could get only the following news item online)

http://www.iamin.in/en/new-delhi/new...-revoked-57152
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Breaking News:

National Green Tribunal stays its order for 2 weeks to impound diesel vehicles in Delhi for over 10 years

Source: CNN-IBN News ‏@ibnlive
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National Green Tribunal stays its order for 2 weeks to impound diesel vehicles in Delhi for over 10 years

Source: CNN-IBN News ‏@ibnlive
Yes, it seems like they have put on hold the order banning 10 year old diesel vehicles for 2 weeks. In the interim they have asked for suggestions from the Delhi Government to devise a way to implement the order. So, essentially, they still stick to their philosophy and have now involved the Delhi Government in implementation scheme.

I believe we may see a few lawsuits on the ban soon and this stay may, eventually, be extended.

News Source - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/46904677.cms

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This order seems to be a bit draconian for personal vehicle owners like me , I have a 2008 March Swift which as of now has done 7 years & is now at the end of its life in Delhi . While the vehicle has been maintained at Dealership only throughout the seven year period but as of now this seems a waste .

My car will be sold for throw away price or even cut to pieces because of an order given by the NGT . This seems kind of two much for a vehicle that has a much less polluting engine & a very fuel efficient one at that . As far as I am concerned if this ban stays put then my next vehicle will surely be a petrol powered vehicle .

A 15 year period for all such cars should be enforced instead of mindless bans issued without a thought or a higher tax after the 10 year period , strict fitness checks & yearly pollution tax on such cars could have been a much better idea .
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Is it 2 weeks or 2 months? This source says the stay is for 2 months : http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/ngt-h...-1-807623.html
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Is it 2 weeks or 2 months? This source says the stay is for 2 months : http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/ngt-h...-1-807623.html
2 weeks seems to be correct.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/46904677.cms

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nat...eks/66764.html

http://www.business-standard.com/art...1300343_1.html

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...cle7098288.ece
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The real effect of this law, if implemented strictly would be poorly maintained legal vehicles on the road. Nobody would shell out any money to repair things on an 8 year old car as long as it runs. Even if it is emitting pure carbon monoxide, a car owner would not spend anything on a car he is anyway going to scrap. If it falls apart a couple of months earlier, so be it. Scrap it earlier and get a new car.

Instead of a few really old well maintained vehicles, we'll see a lot of ill-maintained vehicles on the road. NGT would then say that all the 9-10 year old vehicles are causing pollution and change the lifetime to 7 years, then to 5 years and so on.
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