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Old 12th May 2015, 05:14   #1
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  • 2.8-litre and 2.4-litre known by the codes of 1GD-FTV and 2GD-FTV respectively.
  • The new GD family of engines will replace the existing ones, known as 1KD-FTV in 3.0-litre and 2KD-FTV is 2.5-litre.
  • Associated ESTEC technology (Economy with Superior Thermal Efficient Combustion) to provide better economy and more seamless acceleration.
  • The current five-speed manual and automatic will be upgraded to six-speeders.
  • The 1GD 2.8-litre produces 177hp compared to the 1KD 3.0-litre has outputs of 171hp and 360Nm.
  • The 2GD 2.4-litre generates outputs of 160hp and 400Nm, compared to 144hp and 343Nm in the 2KD 2.5-litre.
  • Initially the Hilux pickup will host the engine in its world premiere in Thailand on May 21. They will follow in the redesigned Fortuner SUV in July, as well as the all-new Innova MPV early next year.
Source: http://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news...gines-revealed

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Great news, hope the fuel efficiency is improved too, but i can't point out a reason to buy the 2.8l over the 2.4 if there is a choice between the two, given so narrow a difference.

BTW, read somewhere that the the 2.4 has a 5 M/T , but the A/T will be 6 speed.
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...[*]The 1GD 2.8-litre produces 177hp compared to the 1KD 3.0-litre has outputs of 171hp and 360Nm.[*]The 2GD 2.4-litre generates outputs of 160hp and 400Nm, compared to 144hp and 343Nm in the 2KD 2.5-litre.
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Torque numbers are up massively, which points to even more fun at the wheel! The 2.8 litre engine reportedly puts out ~450Nm.

I just hope they don't de-tune the engine to a massive extent for the Innova headed to India. Assuming, that is, Toyota will put these engines into the Indian Innova.

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The 2.4ltr 2GD FTV is a big step up from the current 2KD FTV. Would be interesting to see Innovas flying on highways now considering that even Enjoy and Evalia are faster than the former.
That said the 1GD FTV surely feels it could do with more power. There might be some reason why Toyota is doing this.
Wonder what happened to i-Art technology. Was a very interesting technology aimed at reducing nvh of the engines.

I would wait till the official reviews come out before passing out judgement though.
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Engine specs sound interesting here but hope Toyota doesn't scrounge this time too and instead gives disc brakes on all four wheels as standard on vehicles equipped with these mills. The way I see it, no amount of power is of much use in a car if you don't have proper anchors. Just my two cents.
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2.8 and 2.4 L common rail engines! Will be a very nice fit for the new Fortuner and the Innova. But, I wonder where would that leave the Corolla!

The 2L AD engine (1AD-FTV) would have suited both the Corolla and Innova better. It makes around 126 bhp and 310 Nm at 1600 - 2200 rpm. That torque rating is stellar!

The GD series is brand new though!
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Finally, Toyota gets new engines for UVs. Current Innova and Fortuner engines feel dated in every aspect, especially the high NVH. They finally have a reason to get rid of hopelessly short gearing for Innova, that existed only to make up for lack of grunt and spoiled the overall drive experience with constant drone in the cabin and low FE.

I drove a Prado few years back, it comes with the same engine as Fortuner and it was a shocking experience to see such a crude engine in an almost crore rupee vehicle.
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Could power ?

This definitely will power the upcoming Fortuner, Hilux & the LC Prado too.

Infact the 2016 Prado has already ditched the 3L for the all new 2.8L GD series , Read > HERE
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Just read that New-Gen Toyota Innova and Fortuner are all set to get locally made engine. 2016 being the timeline for the facelift versions of these cars, they are all likely to be powered by the new engine which eventually is likely to get the prices down for these two supremely popular and aspired vehicles. No details on the specs of the engine in the article though. At least I have definitely put off my SUV plans till they arrive.

Link to the article: http://auto.ndtv.com/news/new-gen-to...cheaper-763548

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Great news, hope the fuel efficiency is improved too, but i can't point out a reason to buy the 2.8l over the 2.4 if there is a choice between the two, given so narrow a difference.

BTW, read somewhere that the the 2.4 has a 5 M/T , but the A/T will be 6 speed.
It is mentioned that these engines will replace the existing 3.0 lit and 2.5 lit engines. And these new engines are little below 3 lit and little below 2.5 lit respectively. So, there could be consideration of reducing taxes on the vehicles in some countries by staying within 3 lit and 2.5 lit.
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It is mentioned that these engines will replace the existing 3.0 lit and 2.5 lit engines. And these new engines are little below 3 lit and little below 2.5 lit respectively. So, there could be consideration of reducing taxes on the vehicles in some countries by staying within 3 lit and 2.5 lit.
Thanks, but what i meant to say was that the performance difference, atleast on the paper BHP levels looks so close and narrow.

The 2.4 now has 20bhp over the older 2.5 and also closer to the earlier 3.0 version.
While the new 2.8 has only 6bhp gain and looks meaninglss compared to the 2.4.
Anyway, only a proper test drive report will tell the differences.
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Toyota has released technical details of it's new "GD" turbo-diesel engines.

This new family will gradually replace the current "KD" engines worldwide, when they will be introduced in 90 markets by 2016. Toyota estimates that the engines will be fully introduced in 150 markets by 2020.

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With a maximum thermal efficiency of 44 percent, the 2.8-liter engine is one of the most thermally efficient ever made, according to Toyota. Despite the smaller displacement in comparison to the current KD engine, maximum torque is improved by 25 percent and low speed torque improved by 11 percent, while fuel efficiency has received a 15 percent boost.

The 2.8-liter engine is rated at 177PS (175hp) and 450Nm (332lb-ft) at 1,600-2,400 rpm, while the 2.4-liter unit produces 150PS (148hp) and 400Nm (295lb-ft) of torque at 1,600-3,400 rpm. The larger engine is currently available in the new Hilux pickup truck launched in Thailand in May 2015, as well as in the facelifted Land Cruiser Prado launched in Japan on June 17.

Toyota says the Thermo Swing Wall Insulation Technology and the use of silica-reinforced porous anodized aluminum (SiRPA) on the pistons has reduced cooling loss during combustion by approximately 30 percent. SiRPA is a high insulation and dissipation material that is easy to heat and easy to cool.

The engines also feature a compact high-efficiency variable geometry turbocharger produced in-house by Toyota that is 30 percent smaller than its current equivalent. It includes a newly developed turbine that improves efficiency, as well as a newly developed impeller that is said to provide instantaneous acceleration response and to produce maximum torque over a wide range of rpm.

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What about the Automatic transmissions? They are still using the vintage torque converter 5 Speed units, how do they plan to utilize the newly increased efficiency when the gearbox is going to waste a lot of it.

The world has moved beyond ZF 8HP and DSG, its time for Japanese manufacturers to wake up and look beyond 1980's transmissions.
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What about the Automatic transmissions? They are still using the vintage torque converter 5 Speed units, how do they plan to utilize the newly increased efficiency when the gearbox is going to waste a lot of it.

The world has moved beyond ZF 8HP and DSG, its time for Japanese manufacturers to wake up and look beyond 1980's transmissions.
Anshuman it is now much respectable 6 speed in both MT and AT avatar.

Seer here

And you can read performance of these engines in english language HERE
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2016 being the timeline for the facelift versions of these cars, they are all likely to be powered by the new engine which eventually is likely to get the prices down for these two supremely popular and aspired vehicles. No details on the specs of the engine in the article though. At least I have definitely put off my SUV plans till they arrive.
Dream on about prices being down. They will be up substantially regardless of the downturn in metal and plastic prices, and the weakness of yen (which results in higher profits in home currency).
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