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Old 22nd July 2015, 17:38   #16
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Typical buyer of the petrol variant would be a city commuter / occasional highway dweller rather than a hardcore Ladakh-er!
Assuming the petrol XUV is cheaper by 1.8 to 2L, it would result in substantial cost savings.
Does it really matter if fuel efficiency is as low as 8kmpl even then?

With that said, I don't think Mahindra will launch this variant in our markets any time soon. Won't find enough takers.
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But there is a market for 12 KMPL CNG SUVs! With NGT tightening screws on diesel, CNG is the way to go! Of course it'll then require the mHawk derivative - 1.6 will be too under-powered. The last row of seats can be removed to accommodate a large CNG cylinder.
But that is only in your part of the world, rest of India has no such thing. Secondly why would someone remove the last row seat of an XUV and drive a CNG 5 seater when they can might as well get a Duster, Creta or an Innova for that price which runs on conventional fuel. You have to also think about the 'sentiment' being the CNG tag. CNG cars are looked as 'cheap' and looked down upon too so generally people avoid it, add to that someone buying an XUV has a little amount of pride and hence it works against the CNG tag. I am just stating the sentiments of the general public in India, I no way can relate to them, but I cannot relate to a petrol SUV too.

India runs on sentiments and none of these sentiments are in favor of a CNG or a petrol SUV.


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I think Maky was referring to the everyday city mileage seen by the user, and not the ARAI fuel efficiency.

The expectation is that everyday city mileage for petrol and diesel will not be very significantly different in kmpl figures.

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Hey of course they will be different, an 11 kmpl giving diesel XUV will give you 8 to 9 AT MAX in its petrol avatar simply because there will be no low end torque of a diesel in a petrol and hence you will need to rev her up for every pass or downshift to get acceleration which will eat away petrol.

Also the calorific value of diesel is more than petrol, work done for X amount of Diesel will be more than similar X amount of petrol, so inherently diesels are around 20 to 30% more efficient.

In India atleast according to me petrol XUV won't work and launching products just to fill up the portfolio IMO is a dumb movie.

Launch such cars which give meaning to the company and the line up of Mahindra, selling Verito Vibes and Quanto's is negative brand building and ruining brand reputation exercise.

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Old 22nd July 2015, 19:26   #18
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What if they are testing the engine and not the XUV ?

Mahindra had been co-developing their petrol engine range along with SsangYong to power their future offerings. What if this is something that's meant for their compact SUV (S102?)
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This is really good news!!! I think this move is to to counter the new crossovers from Maruti and Hyundai. Would this be the first petrol engined vehicle from the Mahindra stable?

Would be great to buy one if Mahindra drops the rates by a lac or 2 without compromising on the features.
Believe it or not, the Mahindra Scorpio used to come with a petrol engine. It was sourced from Renault and was as rare as the Kohinoor diamond. I used to know some one who had bought one and whenever he used to take it to the service station the guys would refuse to believe that the car ACTUALLY came with a petrol engine from the factory!
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Actually, there will be many like me who would be happy to buy a Petrol SUV. My running is around 10k kms a year and most of it is in the city. I need a car that seats 4-5 adults + 1 kid comfortably and more important - safely.

Below is the math -

Initial Cost - Diesel (15 lakhs) vs Petrol (13.5 lakhs).
Mileage - Diesel (15 kmpl) vs Petrol (10 kmpl).
Price - Diesel (Rs 58 per liter) vs Petrol (Rs 75 per liter).
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Old 22nd July 2015, 22:15   #21
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The petrol version of the XUV 500 would sell in export markets rather than in India. Also, people won't go for the petrol version because the general public doesn't have any idea about the petrol engine's durability and long term reliability.

Running it on CNG is also a foolish idea as Ertiga with factory fitted CNG comes at a much lower price. Also, it won't give much range on CNG and being an aftermarket fit, it may give issues which one may not expect after spending so much.

Also, the petrol XUV will give lesser range at a higher price which nobody would want. I think the petrol XUV would be made to order just like the petrol Innova. (I haven't seen a 4th gen petrol Innova yet)
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Mahindra may not be wanting to target huge volumes of the XUV5oo, if at all the petrol version is brought in. Why would Mahindra make such a move? I really cannot answer. But, they just might want to offer something more with the Petrol XUV5oo. Who will buy a petrol SUV like this? Well, the people who have previously owned a Safari petrol or Grand Vitara or CRV may be able to answer.
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One potential market apparently would be Gulf region. Just two days ago was driven about 110 km in petrol fortuner so these guys definitely have penchant for high cc petrol engines.
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One potential market apparently would be Gulf region. Just two days ago was driven about 110 km in petrol fortuner so these guys definitely have penchant for high cc petrol engines.
Well, thats true..about 60% of the people in the Gulf region drive about an average of 55kms per day ( with the numbers rising tremendously in UAE& Saudi). That said, our love for petrol is largely due to the fact that petrol is heavily subsidized and therefore relatively cheap. Despite subsidy, Diesel is almost 40% more expensive per litre. Mahindra's Scorpio (2.0L petrol) was available in UAE briefly but it bombed as expected. Power was the biggest drawback and it had almost zero safety features. Maybe XUV can utilise the different 2.0L from the Ssangyong Korando and that could help it become a good contender in the international market.
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A petrol XUV with a stonking engine would interest me. But the 1.6 L engine sounds mediocre in terms of performance - it is a big turn off. If the car is released in the market, it would be a dud for sure.

It should either have great performance or FE. This falls right in the middle, with neither being available.
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Wondering what will be the resale value of this version of XUV. The target audience is also not clear. The people with low running will anyway not be interested in buying a vehicle of this type.
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I would be interested in a W10 Petrol for onroad 15-16 lacs (diesel onroad is around 18.3 in mumbai)

The newly launched creta SX comes to approx 13.5 lacs on road, and its a 5 seater

My running is around 6,000kms per year with 30-40% contributed by highway trips and rest within the city.

If I can afford to keep two cars, it would be great that I will have the option of keeping a 7 seater petrol one which doesnt need constant running and maintenance (which maybe a myth, but that notion is still ingrained in my head)

Instead of having a hatch + 12 lac sedan, I could have a fully loaded 16 lac 7 seater SUV.

But this is my specific case, they may not find such buyers in the numbers they desire
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Below is the math
Since we're doing math, please also consider resale value. Any petrol SUV till date - especially one that has a competent diesel sibling - has bombed in resale. Buyers are so rare that it takes a lot more time to sell it too.
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XUV is too heavy to be used with a small / mid sized Petrol engine. It will have low torque even if BHP is sufficient and for heavy vehicles torques matter.

Nope a bad idea. Petrol works out only in lighter vehicles or if the vehicle is heavy it needs a big petrol engine which means lesser fuel efficiency and one needs to own a petrol pump.

Plus of course resale will be poor even if one is assuming that usage will be less.
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I am sorry but I am not getting your point. You say that you prefer petrol but your math favours diesel on a five year ownership cost calculation. Are you trying to do the math on the total cost of ownership between petrol and diesel ? If that's the case, apart from the fuel prices and mileage, lot of other factors like varying fuel prices, maintenance, EMI plus interest if you opt for a loan, resale value and so on has to be considered. Refer this excellent informative thread (ARTICLE: The real cost of car ownership) to know the various factors to be considered for the total cost of ownership. As you will be aware, if your running is less, buying petrol vehicle will make sense and if it's more buying diesel would be apt.

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