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Old 30th July 2015, 11:58   #31
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This would be adding to further confusions in customers mind. The normal naming methodology followed every where was simple and meaningful. They could have used this type of nomenclature maybe in service section. Badging a car based on these technicalities.
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This is awesome. By using this formula we can compare any vehicle running on anything (petrol, diesel or electricity).

For e.g. Tesla P85D's 0-100 is in 2.8 s (according to Wikipedia)
So, its dynamic badging should be 101 ACIM (AC induction motor)

Similarly, BMW S1000RR bike's 0-100 is in 306 s (according to Wikipedia)
So, its dynamic badging should be 93 i4 (inline 4).

Man, I love this formula. Thank you Audi.
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This is against a lot of members, but I think this is fantastically simple. Almost Apple level of simplicity to explain performance to the layman.

Wanna explain why the Q5 has a lower rating than the A3 TFSI? Coz it's slow.
Its POWERFUL, but its SLOW.

Fantastic Audi.
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Old 30th July 2015, 19:55   #34
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Once one reads through this calculation, it actually makes very good sense. A 45 will always indicate a faster car than a 35 irrespective of the Body, the Engine, the gearbox or the state of tune!
What will the Veyron Be?
I think this is the best way to identify performance of a vehicle. This should be launched for all cars, rather made mandatory .

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Audi has introduced "Dynamic Badging" a terms that categorises cars by the actual performance on tap rather than mere cubic capacity.
It is most likely that other manufacturers that use engines in differing states of tune would would also find this method useful and move to this method of badging.
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Interesting question. Had to do the Math. Calculation below to keep me honest.
Hence, Veyron badging = Bugatti Veyron 115 W16 T4SI
Finally, badging for the cars that can rival registration numbers across the world.

I like it.
Excellent number plates. Another way to get good licence plate without paying through the roof. (not applicable in India though)

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First one, the thread starter is coincidentally "VeyronSuperSprt"!
As a straight inference from this. If you are accelerating under gravity, it will take you 2.83 secs to reach 100kmph!
)
Here is the same for
Koenigsegg One:1 - 100 V8 T2SI (2.8 sec to 100)
2006 Renault R26 - 165 V8 I ( is this for naturally aspirated ?)

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By using this formula we can compare any vehicle running on anything (petrol, diesel or electricity).

For e.g. Tesla P85D's 0-100 is in 2.8 s (according to Wikipedia)
So, its dynamic badging should be 101 ACIM (AC induction motor)

Similarly, BMW S1000RR bike's 0-100 is in 306 s (according to Wikipedia)
So, its dynamic badging should be 93 i4 (inline 4).

Man, I love this formula. Thank you Audi.
Exactly my thoughts ! What a novel way to compare cars.

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Old 30th July 2015, 20:36   #35
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This thread reminds me of Duckworth/Lewis method in cricket.
When it was introduced all kinds of people be it cricketers, journalists, TV presenters, public, etc. had a tough time understanding the method.

I don't think any sort of badging matters to common man as they are Luxury segment cars and are not meant to be sales volume generators. To common man the identification of Manufacturer's logo is more than enough.
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This sort of badging would be very difficult for the common man to comprehend.
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This formula reminds me of my love for Espresso. Hated it in the beginning, kept going at it and eventually fall in love with it and now start finding crazy reasons to have it.

From some very unreliable sources (Youtube videos) I have been able to ascertain the average acceleration speed (0-100) for older generation Maruti 800s were about 30 seconds.

Applying the god-sent (ok, VWAG-sent) formula. Here is the new badging that I think they should definitely adopt.

Badging forumla - (a*100)/g
a = 27.78/30 = 0.926.

Therefore, Maruti 800's new badging - Maruti 10 MPFI. To make it sound more cool - Maruti 10 T0MPFI (T0 indicating 0 turbochargers)

I'd like to go on, but I think I'll stop steering this away from the topic.

I hope this becomes a standard.
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Nice innovative nomenclature. Loved it.

But useful only if all global players adopt it at least country wise. But is there a global regulatory body.

If only Audi do it it is pointless. At min entire VW group should have started at one go across their 6 odd brands.
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Was it really necessary for Audi to invent this complex nomenclature system? Pure marketing gimmick to make the car look more powerful. I hope others do not adopt this practice. I am not sure if Audi will follow this badging universally or is it only India specific. If it is, its even more ridiculous.

A person reading the engine tag off the rear of a car should be able to quickly comprehend the engine size. With this nomenclature, it is often misleading. A Q3 which would nornally have a 2.0 TDi will show 35 TDi leading someone to wrongly believe it has a 3.5L engine.

Suzuki have also started this trend recently with S-Cross badging the engine as 320DDiS but atleast there, the 320 denotes something that can be deciphered easily.
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So there was an Audi A8L ahead of me and my wife while we were driving in the city today morning.

The badge read 50 TDi and I tried to explain the formula to my wife. While I was explaining she made the face that girls usually make when you talk to them about something even slightly mathematical!

At the end all she asked was, "So you mean higher the number faster the car?", and I smiled in accord.

Of course having this badging logic makes absolute sense. I mean what do you do with the engine displacement figures as such. A rather interesting analogy comes to mind that size might not really matter, performance does

Just in case all car makers had this from before, I'd imagine myself sitting calmly in my swift waiting for the light to get green while this 90hp Punto pulls by my side. The guy revvs it and calls for a drag. I simply roll down the window and say, "Hi 17.5! How are you today? I'm 20.4, we met on the expressway the other day"

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This has to be one of the most uninteresting things I've ever come across. Another very good reason to dislike Audi's. Why not do it the Mercedes way? Badge a 6.2 V8 as a 6.3.
This is incorrect. Maybe MB is not doing it as blatantly as Audi, but take a look at the CLA45 AMG. you'd think 4.5lit. but it is a 2litre turbo. The 45 badging is to simulate the extra quickness/hp of the car.

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...LA/model-CLA45
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This is incorrect. Maybe MB is not doing it as blatantly as Audi, but take a look at the CLA45 AMG. you'd think 4.5lit. but it is a 2litre turbo. The 45 badging is to simulate the extra quickness/hp of the car.

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...LA/model-CLA45
Of course, Mercedes went through their own confusing re-badging a few years ago. http://www.worldcarfans.com/11204194...ryone---report

Prediction were they would run out of letters soon.

What used to be even more confusing is that earlier cars were also known under their platform name, e.g. a Mercedes 200 could be a W123 or a W124, or even an E class I seem to recall.

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This is incorrect. Maybe MB is not doing it as blatantly as Audi, but take a look at the CLA45 AMG. you'd think 4.5lit. but it is a 2litre turbo. The 45 badging is to simulate the extra quickness/hp of the car.

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...LA/model-CLA45
The 45 in A45 and CLA45 AMG stands for the 45th anniversary of AMG which was in 2012.
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The 45 in A45 and CLA45 AMG stands for the 45th anniversary of AMG which was in 2012.
This is unexpected. I have never heard of this backstory. Did a quick search, can't find anything to confirm this. Can you cite a reliable source?

The closest connection I knew was that its 0-100 time in the CLA is 4.6s and in the A45 is 4.2s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merced...2.0_L_I4_TURBO

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Of course, does not imply the 45 suffix reflects the approx 0-100 times.
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Of course, does not imply the 45 suffix reflects the approx 0-100 times.
Definatly not. In that case the S65 AMG 0 to 100 is 6.5 seconds? damn that's at par with the S350 CDi
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