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Old 2nd September 2015, 10:47   #136
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GOI gives a subsidy worth INR 13,000 for hybrid cars along with a reduction in excise from 24% to 12.5%. So, that's a lot of savings. Rough calculation says an excise benefit of 90k for the VDi when you put the two together. It will easily offset any expense that MSIL would have incurred for this modest hybrid I guess.

Smart on MSIL to exploit this and move quickly. And kudos to them for passing a small portion of that benefit to the prospective customers. I guess there will be a scramble by manufacturers to exploit this loophole soon.

Regarding the hybrid unit, I will wait for a thorough review and/or the ownership threads to form an opinion. Hope its a bit more smarter unit than the micro hybrid of M&M.
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GOI gives a subsidy worth INR 13,000 for hybrid cars along with a reduction in excise from 24% to 12.5%. So, that's a lot of savings. Rough calculation says an excise benefit of 90k for the VDi when you put the two together.
But the excise benefit will come into picture when the on-road price is calculated, right? Or am I wrong?
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But the excise benefit will come into picture when the on-road price is calculated, right? Or am I wrong?
The exshowroom price is inclusive of excise duty.
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The exshowroom price is inclusive of excise duty.
That means, Maruti could have reduced the price by around 70K, had they not added any feature - a mere 30K difference between Petrol and Diesel hybrid!

How much will cost for the extra features added? Will it add up to 70K? I guess a good amount is going to Maruti's kitty.
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I am wondering if Mahindra did bring down the price of scorpio when they introduced hybrid. Sure, they can also get the excise duty benefits, but just took it to their books rather than passing it on to the customers?
Surprisingly, per their website, micro hybrid is available in top 2 trims and entry variant (??!!)
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I am wondering if Mahindra did bring down the price of scorpio when they introduced hybrid. Sure, they can also get the excise duty benefits, but just took it to their books rather than passing it on to the customers?
Surprisingly, per their website, micro hybrid is available in top 2 trims and entry variant (??!!)
There's nothing hybrid in the Scorpio except for the name. They merely have the automatic start/stop function.

The XUV might have more benefit since they have start/stop + brake energy recuperation.

The Ciaz has start/stop, brake energy recuperation, torque assist. It's a small parallel hybrid like the Civic hybrid.
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Seeing the new variant and feature list. These are the changes that I could make out.

1. All AT variants get 2 airbags and abs. Previously the v variant got only 1 airbag.

2. The new V(o) variant is a safety variant. So someone who wants safety but doesn't want to spend a lot on the v+ can get these in the v (o) variant. A positive move

3. Price for diesel variants has reduced but what is the price effect on petrol? The Vxi+ AT variant would be costlier now (addition of an airbag).

4. Price difference between petrol and diesel variants would have reduced a bit.
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As per the dealership in Trivandrum Ciaz Zdi would be approx 60000Rs cheaper. Ex Showroom Price is now 9.99 lakh.Earlier it was 10.24 Thus qualifying for 8% Road tax rather than 10% earlier. And insurance would be cheaper too. Plus an additional incentive of 13000Rs.

This, I feel would be a hot selling variant.


Really should appreciate MS for the excellent pricing. New technology at 60000 less is super deal.
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Has anyone test driven the new car with the hybrid technology?

I called up a few dealers yesterday in Chennai and none of them have the car yet. There was even a person at a dealer, who did not know anything about the new hybrid car.
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Got invitation call from S.K wheels Navi mumbai for unveiling of Hybrid model at their showroom today evening at 6 pm. Unfortunately we have some prior commitments and cannot make it.

I have booked Test drive for tomorrow, but Hybrid test drive model will not be available and have to test drive the old model

If they have Hybrid model for unveiling then why not test drive model ?

I am still going ahead as my father will have first time look at Ciaz
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See if someone can get hold of svhs to test drive...when u went, their only vehicle was away, and I couldn't wait.

Also, I forgot to ask in showroom, but what's the waiting time for Gurgaon/NCR delivery ?

I think I'll go with booking at the end of this year...Dec clearance sale
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A question that came to my mind.

Had the Govt incentive scheme not been there, how much dent would the Hybrid technology put onto the customer's pocket.

(Assuming prices would rise by XX amount)
-Would the customer's opt for Ciaz Hybrid with increased prices and additional 6.8% FE ?
- The base variant Vxi would almost touch the base of City Diesel @8.8 ex Delhi. This would in turn cause the sales of Ciaz to drop and City to boost.
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A question that came to my mind.

Had the Govt incentive scheme not been there, how much dent would the Hybrid technology put onto the customer's pocket.
Had the Govt incentive not been there Maruti Suzuki would not have released the Ciaz- SHVS variant.
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Had the Govt incentive not been there Maruti Suzuki would not have released the Ciaz- SHVS variant.
I totally understand that the scheme not been there Maruti wouldn't have launched the technology.
Also most schemes (sub 4m excise, Hybrid) are pushed by Maruti and hence it's always Maruti making the most out of the scheme.

Say like Toyota which launched the Hybrid irrespective the incentive scheme,
more than 85% sales of Camry are from Hybrid.

So my question still stands.
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Is this so called start-stop system good for diesel engines? Normally for diesel engines we are supposed to idle it for 1-2 minutes before switching it off. With auto start-stop , wont the engine be shut off before that ? Am i missing something here.
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