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Old 21st August 2015, 23:38   #76
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Sales executive whom I am interacting with had gone for their training had a chance to test drive hybrid. He mentioned that there is no change except for idling start/stop and couldn't find any difference in power. I am not sure if hybrid would add some bhp/torque or just a start/stop. Also need to see how much weight it adds to the car. Any idea anyone?
It means the system has been optimised for FE. It's expected too.

ISG weight should be around 10-12 kg. Battery weight is a question here. If it is a lead-acid one then approximately 25kg more than normal 12V battery. A Li-ion will be only 10kg. So with lead-acid setup we can expect about 35-40 kg weight addition.

I am really eager to see that it is indeed the ISG mild hybrid that Maruti is bringing in India. Volkswagen is still trying out this on Golf and may launch in 2016. For more read, plz check this link
http://articles.sae.org/13186/
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Was this SHVS launched officially on 19th or not?. I do not see any news about it?
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Was this SHVS launched officially on 19th or not?. I do not see any news about it?
No it wasn't. Have seen a lot of executives roaming around in the SHVS maybe for training. September launch expected.
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Was this SHVS launched officially on 19th or not?. I do not see any news about it?
There is an article on it in NDTV site..

http://auto.ndtv.com/news/new-gen-ma...from=home-auto
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Autocar First Impressions review of the Ciaz SHVS is out

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-rev...ve-397082.aspx

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As part of the 'Smart Hybrid Vehicle by Suzuki' (SHVS) upgrade, the Ciaz gets what Maruti calls an ISG (Integrated Starter Generator). The Ciaz SHVS comes with a segment-first dedicated start-stop system which can be brought into action with the press of a button located to the right of the steering wheel, beside the switch for the parking sensors and fog lamps. This system is similar to the one seen on the Micro-Hybrid Mahindra vehicles and quite a few high-end cars in our market. It comes in to play by shutting down the engine when the car comes to a complete halt and deactivates itself when the driver presses the clutch and allows the engine to restart. We found this system being activated approximately within four to five seconds of the vehicle being brought to a complete stop. There’s a dedicated sign on the instrument panel that glows when this system is active. As per the company claim, the system is said to deactivate itself if the driver unfastens his seat belt or if the driver’s door is opened.
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The Ciaz SHVS also gets a Deceleration Energy Regenerating function. This comes into effect when the vehicle is being decelerated. Basically, what it does is that it “feeds” the energy back into the vehicle's electrical system during deceleration in order to further improve efficiency. A green-coloured SHVS indicator placed right at the centre of the instrument cluster lights up when this system is running. We found the SHVS light coming on only if the vehicle was being decelerated from a speed of approximately over 30kph. In order to let this system function, the driver has to ensure the vehicle isn't in neutral while decelerating and the driver’s foot is off the clutch pedal.
This below feature seems to be a common one in many cars today.

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The third function seen in the Maruti Ciaz SHVS is the Engine Power Assist function which according to the carmaker, assists the engine power as a motor when the vehicle is running. There is even a gearshift indicator provided in the Ciaz SHVS to prompt drivers to change gears at the most ideal gear times – a feature seen in most modern-day Hyundai’s.
Overall the slight bump up in mileage is the only benefit. No change in performance or driving characteristics. 10-15K premium over the regular Ciaz
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Good to hear the review so quick. So do we expect this to be sold along side the non SHVS models ?
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Good to hear the review so quick. So do we expect this to be sold along side the non SHVS models ?
Non SHVS model Ciaz diesel has been stopped. The old DDiS is replaced with SHVS + DDiS.

Only the petrol model remains unchanged.
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That is a bad move. Already ciaz sales no are dropping and now this is forcing customers to buy with premium price.
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That is a bad move. Already ciaz sales no are dropping and now this is forcing customers to buy with premium price.
The low volumes seen in July sales seem to be due to stock clearance of the existing diesels.
Seems to have depleted the stocks now as Ciaz Diesel SHVS to be launched shortly.
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The third function seen in the Maruti Ciaz SHVS is the Engine Power Assist function which according to the carmaker, assists the engine power as a motor when the vehicle is running.
I think this is the most important feature of SHVS. It is surprising that most reports/reviews are not covering this feature. I hope TeamBHP does an acceleration test from 30-90 on older Ciaz and the new SHVS Ciaz to check if there is any difference in performance.
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ISGs don't do very well in Indian conditions (much more starting and stopping than in "test" conditions), excessive rainfall, poor quality of OEM batteries etc.

Additionally, ISG's do not increase performance of the motor. Rather, they replace the power required from the Internal Combustion Engine during early acceleration.

Perhaps the added complexity is not worth the minor savings?

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Maruti Suzuki has announced that it will launch the Ciaz SHVS (Smart Hybrid Vehicle by Suzuki) in India on September 1, 2015.

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I think this is the most important feature of SHVS. It is surprising that most reports/reviews are not covering this feature. I hope TeamBHP does an acceleration test from 30-90 on older Ciaz and the new SHVS Ciaz to check if there is any difference in performance.
Additional gain should be in City mileage figures as the torque assist in stop and start traffic should ideally ease the IC engine from the burden, if that doesn't improve then all the jugglery is not really worth. Stated highway mileage is already at an healthy 26kmpl, if the City mileage improves then the overall running cost of this vehicle should come down. Not to mention the lung space reliefs by the start/stop Tech. One thing to note is Ciaz and many diesel vehicles in India already exceed the Toyota prius mileage figures(61mpg) without the added complexity!!

I would be happy even if they don't regress(if not gain) in overall performance but gain in average combined cycle FE figures that is a big win. We should wait for the official review/ownership threads to come up to understand anything substantial about this technology in the real world.

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Official Brochure of the Ciaz SHVS leaked ahead of launch.

Fuel Efficiency of the Ciaz SHVS has been given as 28.09 kmpl as per ARAI, which will make the Ciaz SHVS the most fuel-efficient car in the country when launched on September 1st..



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