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Old 1st September 2015, 15:42   #121
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This is so shocking. For a car that sells good numbers they throw in a good technology and also upgrade it and actually reduce the price ?

Hope I am not dreaming and hope they follow the same trend in the upcoming Ertiga as I have been waiting for it.
+1 to that. Even I am desperately waiting for that Ertiga with SHVS, Split third row seat, bluetooth enabled HU, Auto folding ORVMs and other stuff. I will be the first one to book this Ertiga facelift.
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+1 to that. Even I am desperately waiting for that Ertiga with SHVS, Split third row seat, bluetooth enabled HU, Auto folding ORVMs and other stuff. I will be the first one to book this Ertiga facelift.
Meanwhile, they have set the trend of reducing the price with hybrid. They will have tough time selling the current models unless they rake up the discounts pretty heavily. No one will be willing to buy the car knowing that a cheaper yet superior version is on the way.
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Meanwhile, they have set the trend of reducing the price with hybrid. They will have tough time selling the current models unless they rake up the discounts pretty heavily.
Most of the stocks have been depleted and that's how the launch date had been fixed.
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But we do have to consider the cost of additional equipment for the mild hybrid system. If the battery is Li-ion, then along with ISG, pulleys and extra wiring harness, cost impact to Maruti will be around Rs. 50k.
I don't think its Li-on, and perhaps the excise difference exceeds the cost difference - so net-net lower price.
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I don't think its Li-on, and perhaps the excise difference exceeds the cost difference - so net-net lower price.
That is exactly the reason why I said that Maruti has passed on the benefit to the customers. Let us give the credit where it is due.
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Meanwhile, they have set the trend of reducing the price with hybrid. They will have tough time selling the current models unless they rake up the discounts pretty heavily. No one will be willing to buy the car knowing that a cheaper yet superior version is on the way.
Actually with due credit to Maruti, they did announce that Hybrid is on its way and plenty of discounts offered(around 50K+) to clear the stock. Cheaper version of a feature loaded car is only possible because of the Government initiatives and take that off you will end up having the older Ciaz with much reduced feature set and increased pricing.

Also the GOI Minister at the unveiling clearly stated that these incentives on mild hybrid is going to last only for two-three years just to set a trend in the industry and create a market for Hybrid vehicles in India. IMHO true incentives should be for strong hybrids and pure electric cars.

And Maruti is clever to include this technology in diesel first so that they can give boost to their non-performing segment, as well as it can show some solid kmpl figures to back that hybrid badge(which was already pretty good anyways).

Waiting for some good reviews and test drives on this car now. I don't expect the highway mileage to change much but the City mileage inching closer to highway should be the real trend these hybrid vehicles should set. I see that Prius mileage is very close to that of Ciaz but the real USP of Prius is it can give nearly the same mileage figures both in City and Highway. Hoping something closer is true with Ciaz!!!

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Waiting for some good reviews and test drives on this car now.
All I am interested in the SHVS equipped cars is how they have talked the need to idle the turbo after the drive.

Generally one needs to follow the idling rule but with the start - stop system incorporated what happens to this rule?

How is effects the turbo plus the cooling required after the engine has turned off.
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I am just wondering if this SHVS hybrid system is really helpful in bumper to bumper traffic like in Mumbai city. Lets say a 2 kilometer stretch takes almost an hour to cross, during heavy rains. And this 1 hour is only start stop drive. So technically every time the car stops, the engine shuts and restarts again and again. Regenerative braking is useless in these conditions. Doesn't this put extra load on starter motor and battery ? I understand SHVS system comes with more powerful starter motor and battery. Also during night time, in such conditions if engine is shut for longer duration, is battery power enough for lights, ICE, air conditioning etc ?

I know this system can be activated / de-activated, but in case someone who doesn't know, may end up with a drained out battery.
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Seeing the ads on TV about SHVS, it displays a normal lead battery. It could really be mild power storage which could mean a milder assist.
But kudos to Maruti for bringing us this at no extra cost.
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Generally one needs to follow the idling rule but with the start - stop system incorporated what happens to this rule?

How is effects the turbo plus the cooling required after the engine has turned off.
Firstly, since this is a VGT, it could also have liquid cooling, which will ensure that the turbo will not overheat and the oil will not coke. Also since the car is bound to restart in a short while, maybe 1-2min, there wont be any drastic damage IMO, that too if the car is shut down after around 10 secs of idling. Sudden stops are more dangerous since the turbo will still be spinning and if the engine is stopped immediately after a drive it might suffer from oil starvation.

Electronics is the key here. They can program the whole start-stop system to act as required, which can include preventing stopping if the temperature is high, etc. Hence there should be no worries related to idling unless the car is to be stopped for a longer period.
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I know this system can be activated / de-activated, but in case someone who doesn't know, may end up with a drained out battery.
The system is supposed to deactivate itself if battery charge levels fall below a threshold.
Only real worlds test can say whether all this gymnastics was beneficial
Also,battery is supposed to be a high capacity battery. Not very sure If i can judge the type of battery by looking at from outside

I am really looking forward to our "super attention to detail" mods could do a review on various aspects of India's first hybrid car and it's benefits.
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Surprised to see the SHVS prices lower than the current model which is good for the customers. The excise benefit seems to be really good. This is great move just at the start of festival season. It would have been still better if they had the 1.6 MJD as an option

Similar hybrid technology is already there in Scorpio, and not sure if it had any impact on the Turbo and idling rule. Scorpio owner may comment on the same.
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Comparison with the competition. Great job by Maruti with the SHVS pricing.

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I don't think its Li-on, and perhaps the excise difference exceeds the cost difference - so net-net lower price.
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Seeing the ads on TV about SHVS, it displays a normal lead battery. It could really be mild power storage which could mean a milder assist.
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+1 to that. Even I am desperately waiting for that Ertiga with SHVS, Split third row seat, bluetooth enabled HU, Auto folding ORVMs and other stuff. I will be the first one to book this Ertiga facelift.
More on the battery,

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The localisation content has not changed. It was 98 percent in the earlier Ciaz. In the smart hybrid diesel the battery is local and the motor is also locally made so there is not so much of a change. The battery is an advanced high capacity lead acid battery made in collaboration with Furukawa and produced by Exide. It is a patented technology
On future products with SHVS tech,Not sure if Ertiga faclift coming in October will have the SHVS tech.

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It will be suitable for any kind of vehicle. It will be more affordable in the segments where we are present. Each will give a better fuel efficiency. We will look at all other models in the future as also the petrol variants
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The smart hybrid vehicle technology will be used across models. Each vehicle will require separate changes and special development in terms of battery, motor, engine tuning and calibration separately for each vehicle and we will also have to ensure that we can fit the motor in the vehicle .

http://www.autocarpro.in/interview/-...gy-models-9177
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Firstly, I am amazed at the prices that they've announced and I also love it that they've taken safety as a criteria in deciding the variants.

Why do I feel that the new Ciaz is going to dethrone the City in the coming months!

As a potential customer I have two things to say:

1. If I am looking for a base version of a car with 2 airbags and ABS, I will have to go with the SV version of the Honda City, which on road costs about 12 L in chennai due to the higher tax. But If I am going to Ciaz, I will only have to shell out close to 10 L (VDI(o) or VDI+). That is a phenomenal saving of 2 Lakhs.
2. Also if I am a customer of the expensive hatchs (Jazz and I20) or sub 4 meter CS, I can just put in some more cash and get a proper full sized sedan.

I will be in the market for a car in a few months and this has just opened up the playing field. I am more confused now

To me now, the CIAZ ISG VDI+ option with an OTR of approx 10.5 Lakhs Chennai seems the most VFM.

Eagerly waiting for the Team BHP review now. Mods, are you listening?

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