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Old 21st October 2015, 09:41   #721
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May be owners of 1.4 NA can tell what is the engine RPM at 80 kmph on flat road to give an idea.
2500 RPM to be precise!
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Old 21st October 2015, 10:11   #722
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Fiat seems to be reading online forums to get a pulse on customer preferences, so here's my letter to Fiat's online Santa.

Likes:
T-jet motor
Solid build
All black interiors & seats

What I can live with:
Exterior design - 1st gen Grande Punto looks better; getting rid of stickers will help to an extent
Ergonomics - I usually need minor mods to make any car seat comfortable
Fiat A.S.S - can't be any worse than my mediocre experiences at Hyundai/Honda

So, what's the deal-breaker: Lack of an automatic transmission. Plonk in a decent automatic trany and then the Scorpion can sting me all it wants. And, it would prudent to do that before VW brings the GTI here.

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Old 21st October 2015, 10:25   #723
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Test drove The Punto Evo Abarth at Moti Nagar West Delhi, right after the polo Tsi and Creta diesel automatic.
The Volkswagen and Fiat showrooms looked deserted compared to the Chaos and Car buying frenzy at the Hyundai showroom.

As for the driving experience , it can be summed up in one line:

The Punto Abarth eats Creta for breakfast and Polo Tsi for lunch!

The Abarth Punto thrashes the Polo Tsi hollow be it performance or handling. Its just on a different planet. It makes Polo feel slow and annoying.

As for the gearbox I felt that it was slightly better than my friend's Linea T-jet, and is in no way an impediment to the performance and though its it is not slick like the Swift but its much better nissan/renault/ford(new Figo) gearbox.

If you want driving pleasure backed by real performance then this is it. I don't know why on earth are people cribbing about mileage in a hot hatch. My zest revotron (not the last word in fuel efficiency) at times gives me 22+ on expressway (have posted picture in the zest thread as well) at a constant 90 KMPH in 5TH gear.

For me this is it. To hell with diesel automatic SUV and posh badge.
I don't care what my neighbors will say, I don't care if the car sell for crap during resale, I don't care if my leg hurts in traffic(reason for considering automatic), I want to buy this.

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Old 21st October 2015, 10:25   #724
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will the amt cope well with the 1.4 tjet or does fiat have its own version of dsg/dct ?
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The Punto Abarth eats Creta for breakfast and Polo Tsi for lunch!

The Abarth Punto thrashes the Polo Tsi hollow be it performance or handling. Its just on a different planet. It makes Polo feel slow and annoying.
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For me this is it. To hell with diesel automatic SUV and posh badge.
I don't care what my neighbors will say, I don't care if the car sell for crap during resale, I don't care if my leg hurts in traffic(reason for considering automatic), I want to buy this.

My My. That was pretty intense. Is that what just one test drive does to people?

I am hungry for a test drive myself now.

Will I buy it? Difficult. My 75 Hp is just 2 years old and I intend to keep it for long. I plan to Upgrade to a Sedan or a SUV in a couple of years for my second car. So my only hope of owning the beast of the engine is if Fiat decides to bring in a Powered by Abarth version of Linea.

At Approximately 12 Lakhs Ex Showroom, it will be a perfect upgrade for me if Abarth Punto is as good as everyone claims
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will the amt cope well with the 1.4 tjet or does fiat have its own version of dsg/dct ?
Why would someone put a slow shifting gear box on performance hatch? An AMT on Abarth will increase the 0-100 figures by a couple of secs.
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I find it strange that we are discussing fuel efficiency in a performance hatch thread. When I bought my 2010 Linea T-Jet, I fully understood that FE is not on the list of purchase decision makers. I was happy with a 10-11 kmpl in the city and 16-17 kmpl on highways.

Later got the car remapped to 150 HP and expected the FE to become even worse, but remained just about the same. However one day, I decided to actually try and see what kind of FE I can get, if I really tried. So drove from Coimbatore to Salem - approx 150 kms, with the cruise control set to a MID indicated 90 kmph. The T-Jet returned 22 kmpl. Posting, just to share that it is possible to get very good FE from this engine, if that is what you want.

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Why would someone put a slow shifting gear box on performance hatch?
You should go ask that question to Fiat, since they have plonked an AMT on their Abarth 500.

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The Abarth Punto thrashes the Polo Tsi hollow be it performance or handling. Its just on a different planet. It makes Polo feel slow and annoying.

If you want driving pleasure backed by real performance then this is it. I don't know why on earth are people cribbing about mileage in a hot hatch. My zest revotron (not the last word in fuel efficiency) at times gives me 22+ on expressway (have posted picture in the zest thread as well) at a constant 90 KMPH in 5TH gear.

For me this is it. To hell with diesel automatic SUV and posh badge.
I don't care what my neighbors will say, I don't care if the car sell for crap during resale, I don't care if my leg hurts in traffic(reason for considering automatic), I want to buy this.
God, I hate you!
Your small TD review is making me make plans which I would not have considered otherwise. I am almost ready to beg+borrow+steal enough to get this one.

Please do buy this one. If I decide not to beg+borrow+steal, I still want it to be successful enough so that I can buy one when I am finally in a position not to beg+borrow+steal.

(do kids really need to study in private schools? aren't govt. schools good enough? I studied in those. Weren't that bad. you see where i am going with this)

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My My. That was pretty intense. Is that what just one test drive does to people?

I am hungry for a test drive myself now.

Will I buy it? Difficult. My 75 Hp is just 2 years old and I intend to keep it for long. I plan to Upgrade to a Sedan or a SUV in a couple of years for my second car. So my only hope of owning the beast of the engine is if Fiat decides to bring in a Powered by Abarth version of Linea.

At Approximately 12 Lakhs Ex Showroom, it will be a perfect upgrade for me if Abarth Punto is as good as everyone claims
Trust me on this. I got my punto evo 1.3 MJD 5 months back. I test drove the abarth punto a few days back and i am blown away. I am seriously considering it but the only thing i don't have is Vitamin M . This thing just flies ! I am still blown away with that one small test drive.
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Btw, Does Abarth edition can be possible in Diesel also ?

Can't want to question Fiat or Abarth abilities, but Diesel with Abarth badge can develop better counter attack across its Premium performance hatchback segment.
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will the amt cope well with the 1.4 tjet or does fiat have its own version of dsg/dct ?
Fiat has a dual clutch gearbox. C635. It is the highest rated dry type dual clutch tranny. Can handle upto 350 Nm.
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An AMT on Abarth will increase the 0-100 figures by a couple of secs.
now tell me Why would someone want a bad 0-100 figure in a performance hatch?

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Why would someone put a slow shifting gear box on performance hatch?
Let me try to answer...

Quoting from 2014 Enthusiast car thread located at http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ars-india.html (2014 Lineup: The Best Enthusiast Cars in India)

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Skoda Octavia 1.8L DSG


What's hot: lightning quick DSG,

What's not: Reliability concerns over the DSG transmission, no manual gearbox option,
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Fiat Linea T-Jet


What's hot: For manual transmission lovers, still the most satisfying petrol car (<10 lakhs) to drive on the highway

What's not: Long throw & rubbery gearshift,
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VW Polo 1.2L GT TSI

What's hot: lightning quick 7-speed DSG,

What's not: Reliability concerns over the DQ200 DSG transmission, no manual,

VW Polo 1.5L GT TDI


What's hot:smooth 5-speed manual,
Also a few from Build your dream car thread at http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...est-parts.html (Build your 'Dream Car' with the best of parts)

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My dream combination:

Gearbox - Jetta's 6-speed MT
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2. 6 speed mt from a Toyota.
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Gearbox: Laura TSi six speed manual.
So, it is clear that Enthusiasts definitely want a MT and many people's dream cars have an MT and not an AT.

While the twin-clutch provides faster shift timing compared to a manual, Its reliability is still not good.
While the MT is slower in the shift times, some drivers still prefer the interaction that a manual clutch pedal and gearshift provide.

So you see, both have their own pros and cons.

Yes, it would have been complete and amazing if the throw in the Punto was short. But then, which car is complete?
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Now as the dust has settled in, we will have long discussions on MT vs AT, Mileage, Price, features, etc.

Nowadays, we have Compact Sedans, Pseudo SUVs, ruling the market with their customers having full audacity to claim that they are SUVs etc. and why not, their manufacturer has hard-wired in their brains (started with Scorpio being referred to as a Car).

Its a matter of time when of all cars Celerio Diesel AMT also being referred to as a really hot hatch albeit referring to Hot temperature inside the cabin on the same lines as RS is referred to as Restless Spirit.

Would you still blame Maruti for putting out 'Kitna Deti Hai ?" Ads. They mentioned in that Ad country "obsessed" with mileage and not Country 'in love with mileage'.

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now tell me Why would someone want a bad 0-100 figure in a performance hatch?
Yes, it would have been complete and amazing if the throw in the Punto was short. But then, which car is complete?
MITRON (friends in Hindi)

We already know that Abarth is,

not a daily use car (due to stickering)
'suffers' from low mileage
is 'not' Automatic'
is priced equalled to C Segment Sedan.

Aaiye Apni Soch Badlen Aur Kuchh Naya Sochen Aur Naya Karen (Let's change our Thinking and Let's try doing something new)

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Guys, I just realised something interesting.

RavenAvi had posted that body kits were available for Punto Evo with the dealerships across the country.

Link (2014 Fiat Punto Evo : A Close Look)

Just these subtle add-ons on the regular EVO looks leagues ahead of the iteration on the Abarth EVO

If you ask me, just these bits with a stiffer suspension and a wee bit lower stance could have done wonders on the Abarth EVO.

Just look at that black Punto in the above link and it looks HAUTE

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