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Old 14th July 2016, 21:09   #16
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The all-new generation of the hatchback sibling is supposed to make it's world debut at the 2016 Frankfurt Motor Show in September,
Paris Motor show is in October 2016, while the Frankfurt motor show is in September 2017.
2017 Swift is expected to debut at the Paris Motor show.
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The vehicles will get much lighter under the new architecture, thereby helping the company further improve fuel efficiency and will get an attractive design then before, which many consider will help Maruti Suzuki to further strengthen its position and share of the market," said one of several people in the know of the development.

Well, Baleno is just 860 kgs. And MS plans to shed some more weight. And they claim to be building crash safe models.
Can't understand how they would achieve both?
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Maruti-Suzuki is currently in the process of developing the all-new Swift DZire and it will be launched in India by end-2017, according to OnCars.

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Little details about the next generation Swift Dzire are available at the moment but it is expected to be based on the upcoming 2017 Maruti Suzuki Swift hatchback. The compact sedan is expected to come with completely revamped exteriors and interiors while the car is also expected to get a new diesel engine.

Maruti Suzuki is currently testing the next generation Swift hatchback across Europe. The car will be unveiled at the 2016 Paris Auto Show while deliveries will start early next year. The hatchback is expected to be launched in India by mid 2017. While the Swift Dzire compact sedan will be based on its hatchback sibling, the car will be India specific and will be exported to a few South Asian markets. The next generation Swift Dzire will be manufactured alongside the Maruti Baleno and the upcoming 2017 Maruti Swift at the company's new plant in Sanand, Gujarat.
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Well, Baleno is just 860 kgs. And MS plans to shed some more weight. And they claim to be building crash safe models.
Can't understand how they would achieve both?
IMHO such comments are factually wrong and far away from truth.

It depends on the type & grade of material used along with the structure design. And I am not talking about any exotic materials like carbon-fiber or magnesium alloy based. The widely used automotive mild steels, with technology & process improvements, have gone up from YS: ~170MPa & UTS: ~310MPa (for cold rolled types) to YS: ~1100MPa & UTS: ~1500MPa (for hot stamped types). Nowadays, UTS of 590MPa is common to see even in budget cars.

Hyundai Creta used the 'exotic' one with UTS of 1500MPa (marketed as UHSS). Maruti / Suzuki declared a similar (if not same UTS range) in Baleno brochure by mentioning "Built using stronger and safer high tensile steel, the body achieves high rigidity by placing the ‘right material at the right place’."

Structure design also plays an extremely important role. Someone may use the best of the available material, yet if designed poorly, the structure can crumble like paper bag.

So, it is very well possible to reduce weight while achieving sound structural rigidity.

Abbreviations : YS - Yield Strength; UTS - Ultimate Tensile Strength

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It remains to be seen what would happen to their DZire Tour model. This barebones taxi special variant alone easily outsells other 4m+ C1 segment sedans (Etios, Sail, Verito etc.)

Would they continue producing the DZire Tour for the fleet market even after the next generation DZire is introduced? Or would they offer the current DZire as a barebones DZire Tour after the next generation model is introduced?

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With GST in sight, Maruti should develop Dzire with a proper boot. There is no point in going for CS, as uniform taxation is expected.
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Would they continue producing the DZire Tour for the fleet market even after the next generation DZire is introduced? Or would they offer the current DZire as a barebones DZire Tour after the next generation model is introduced?
Very unlikely. Taxi market would want a bigger boot space.
Further, why kill a product selling well?
May be they would (add) an exotic name to DZire and sell it along!
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With GST in sight, Maruti should develop Dzire with a proper boot. There is no point in going for CS, as uniform taxation is expected.
I don't think uniform taxation will come all of a sudden to wipe out all the tax soaps for small cars.

Imo, they have to keep Tour and current sub-4m Dzire, and make the new gen Dzire at 4.3 - 4.5m in length with bigger/ Ciaz engines. But one thing: the spy pics of new Swift no way suggest that a sedan is even possible out of it. Such is the sharpness of design.
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