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Old 8th September 2006, 11:55   #31
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The only downside I have experienced as a Honda owner is the after-sales service.
That, and their not-so-flexible pricing/discounting ;-(
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I find Honda no different from Maruti. "Just keep people's pockets in mind and build a car, your car will be a hit." Like Maruti, Honda too provides not good VFM cars, examples are Zen, Wagon R, City. Their competition is dying of frustration, presenting great VFM cars but nobody is buying them. As they don't care about their pockets. Feels like comparing Nokia and Sony Ericsson here. "Nokia and Maruti! Mehnga, Badsurat par Tikau". Buhuhuhuhu... :(
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Am surprised by this Civic effect - whats extraordinary about this car ? Its good, but by no means great enough to swamp everything else out. Ditto with City, but then I guess "H" sells in India - and HOW!
It is quite world over really, the 8th gen civic has really been quite a successful model for Honda. As I have said in BUSA's thread, I drove an AT Corolla (fairly new) over a week and took several TDs of the new Civic AT. There was simply no comparison. Mind you, I used an OHC type 1 since several years and loved the stiff firm suspension setup. I felt reluctant to plonk down the difference for the corolla, unlike civic.

Actually the Civic we have in India is the JDM version (no clue really what that means) and is sold as a premium Acura brand in Canada.
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Old 8th September 2006, 12:21   #34
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That, and their not-so-flexible pricing/discounting ;-(
The market appears to think that their pricing is appropriate, as the sales figures suggest. Not discounting has several benefits for existing owners in terms of retaining resale value. Also, the company does not dilute brand value.

If a product is well-priced, why the need for a discount at all? I personally think that the NHC and the Accord are fantastically priced. Its the Civic which is a little bit over-priced (atleast in my opinion).
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I find Honda no different from Maruti. "Just keep people's pockets in mind and build a car, your car will be a hit." Like Maruti, Honda too provides not good VFM cars, examples are Zen, Wagon R, City. Their competition is dying of frustration, presenting great VFM cars but nobody is buying them. As they don't care about their pockets.
Well, it seems Indian public is finding VFM in Honda and Maruti...and not in what you think is VFM.

Reliable, well engineered, fuel efficient and great resale value. People are suprised at what I got for my OHC as resale when their Astras/Escorts (more expensive) they were able to sell only at 30% of price I got. 6-7kmpl for them and 10-12kmpl for me. Heavy repair bills, hardly anything for me. Do you think I will go for GM/Ford or Honda/Maruti?

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Actually the Civic we have in India is the JDM version (no clue really what that means) and is sold as a premium Acura brand in Canada.
JDM - Japanese Domestic Market
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JDM version (no clue really what that means)
Its "Japanese Domestic Market", if I am not wrong.
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Well, it seems Indian public is finding VFM in Honda and Maruti...and not in what you think is VFM.
Absolutely, people are so obsessed with FE, maintenance and resale that they can't think beyond it. I think they are right upto an extent, who doesn't want to take good care of his/her hard-earned money? Not many buy cars for just fun.
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GTO, maybe you should not let one bad experience affect the average. I have really been quite happy with my Honda dealer, even though he is the most bad-mouthed in this forum. If there is any fault on dealer side, the concerned advisor/manager has always rectified it at their cost. To the extent that when I had filled Mobil 1 and directed them not to change oil and they did, they gave me free oil for 1 year! The repairs they have suggested were just correct, never exaggerated or inflated. Yes, in some ways their way of doing things may be overkill, but they are simply following their manual of directions.

I agree with you on pricing, but see the sales figures. Even if one were to discount by 50% for initial euphoria, 900-1,000 cars monthly in Civic range is not to be sneezed at at all and Indians are in the process of upgrading their cars, cost be damned. I wish Corolla really would have improved their model much more and kept their pricing.
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Vtecs are cheaper to service than Maruti hatchbacks
@GTO : Is it true ? But what about spare parts cost & service bills ?
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@GTO : Is it true ? But what about spare parts cost & service bills ?

check out my report here


Before that I had a zen so I can vouch first hand. However, if you do stupid things then things get expensive
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Actually the Civic we have in India ... is sold as a premium Acura brand in Canada.
OT: Check: http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/newcars/se...3268&cmp3=3270
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I think the biggest car affected by Civic is Mitsubishi Lancer Cedia. People dont even remember it exists.
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I think the biggest car affected by Civic is Mitsubishi Lancer Cedia. People dont even remember it exists.
Like they remembered it before the Civic arrived. Hehe

Sales wise, i'd say Corolla is taking a beating.

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