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Old 7th October 2015, 20:24   #31
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If you read T-BHP review, it confirms that its solidly built car and good quality inside out. All variants get 4 wheel disc brakes, ABS & dual airbags which is very good thing to have. Also review confirms its very spacious, so no question of lot of headroom here. Talking about height, in fact less height gets you better ride quality any day. Discount of lac rupees is only on 1.6 currently. If its on 1.3 as well then it makes even more sense to buy S-cross over EcoSport as it becomes super VFM then, isn't it?
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Yes, it's more VFM no doubt. I didn't find the build quality to be any good, felt typically Japanese, don't know what the official review says. And headroom is comparable to the City because for some reason they have jacked the seats up. Abs and dual airbags are nothing special, a five lac rupee Micra gets them. But I don't think that the Scross uses its length as an advantage because it doesn't have the road presence of the Ecosport and nor is it attractive to look at. The discount may seem to be good now but it means that it will be a flop car with not so good resale like the SX4.
I've been a big fan of the Ecosport for its urban characteristics - compact size, driveability etc. I did have a tough time choosing between this and the S-Cross, but calling the S-Cross flimsily built is anything but fair.

Not sure if you had a chance to check the car in person, the S-Cross is by far the best built mass market Suzuki ever sold in India. In fact, build quality is at least as good as the EcoSport's. The height and length are definitely an advantage and this is very easy to realize how planted the car behaves when you drive it on a highway.

About the discounts, not sure what kind of numbers Maruti was expecting, but the X-over/mini-SUV segment is suddenly appearing crowded - no more the Duster vs Ecosport story and therefore, the numbers are very likely to come down.
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Having recently booked an Ecosport AT, I was surprised and shocked at the sudden silent launch of the face lifted Ecosport!
For a moment I thought of shifting my booking to the face lifted variant however, on closer inspection of the brochure I realize that the only extra features / changes on the face lifted AT version are:
1. DRL
2. The new headlamps with so called signature lightguide

So paying 20k inr for just two additional features doesn't make sense at all, so have decided to stick with my existing pre-facelifted variant.

The main change is increased power of the engine mate!! All others are just style factor only. And not to mention the gorgeous new colour.
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I've been a big fan of the Ecosport for its urban characteristics - compact size, driveability etc. I did have a tough time choosing between this and the S-Cross, but calling the S-Cross flimsily built is anything but fair.

Not sure if you had a chance to check the car in person, the S-Cross is by far the best built mass market Suzuki ever sold in India. In fact, build quality is at least as good as the EcoSport's. The height and length are definitely an advantage and this is very easy to realize how planted the car behaves when you drive it on a highway.

About the discounts, not sure what kind of numbers Maruti was expecting, but the X-over/mini-SUV segment is suddenly appearing crowded - no more the Duster vs Ecosport story and therefore, the numbers are very likely to come down.
That's your opinion, I'm cool with it but I didn't find that same level of thud and solidity in S Cross. It's definitely the best built maruti but then Maruti's aren't exactly popular for their build. I too was confused between the Scross. And I'm not the only one who found the Ecosport to be better built, my friends and family members who aren't petrol heads also thought so.
And BTW, the Ecosport is also very planted on the highway and stability is related to wheelbase, not length FYI.

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That's your opinion, I'm cool with it but I didn't find that same level of thud and solidity in S Cross. It's definitely the best built maruti but then Maruti's aren't exactly popular for their build. I too was confused between the Scross. And I'm not the only one who found the Ecosport to be better built, my friends and family members who aren't petrol heads also thought so.
And BTW, the Ecosport is also very planted on the highway and stability is related to wheelbase, not length FYI.
Yes of course, everyone has a right to their opinion and that's what makes this forum interesting - it's important not to let perceptions become opinions. I'm cool with your finding the X-over inferior to the mini-SUV

I agree, the wheelbase influences stability, along with a host of other factors like speed, center of gravity etc. BTW, the S-Cross tips the EcoSport in the physical department (for e.g. wheelbase of 2600 mm vs 2520 mm).

I've driven the EcoSport many more times and KMs than the S-Cross and can vouch for its stability. With the S-Cross, however, I felt a tad bit more at ease cornering at higher speeds. But then, that's me!
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Yes of course, everyone has a right to their opinion and that's what makes this forum interesting - it's important not to let perceptions become opinions. I'm cool with your finding the X-over inferior to the mini-SUV

I agree, the wheelbase influences stability, along with a host of other factors like speed, center of gravity etc. BTW, the S-Cross tips the EcoSport in the physical department (for e.g. wheelbase of 2600 mm vs 2520 mm).

I've driven the EcoSport many more times and KMs than the S-Cross and can vouch for its stability. With the S-Cross, however, I felt a tad bit more at ease cornering at higher speeds. But then, that's me!
Well, I'm not a big fan of SUV's an high GC cars to be frank. Ecosport was the best all rounder in my case and hence went with it. Scross does handle better thanks to lower GC which is why I think it's better to drive. I also like the 1.3 more than ford's TDCI and that explosive 1.6 is in another league. The first thing I noticed when I drove an Ecosport is that it doesn't drive like a Ford, with that body roll and light steering although it maintains stability remarkably well for a car this tall. To sum it up, Scross drives before than the Ecosport, no doubt.
But I was pretty disappointed with the build and lack of six airbags. I liked the Avventura most but had to go for a well rounded car because of my family.
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Ecosport was the best all rounder in my case and hence went with it. But I was pretty disappointed with the build and lack of six airbags. I liked the Avventura most but had to go for a well rounded car because of my family.
Oh yeah, absolutely! No wonder it's been a phenomenal success. I had my eyes set on it for almost a year, and then, competition crept in.

Interestingly, I had pre-booked the Avventura too . Although I was very impressed by the tank like build, I found the car a bit too impractical for my needs - unusually complicated spare tyre mount, poor boot design, cramped A-B-C layout etc.

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I had come up with my standard variant wise comparison for Ford EcoSport face lift based on the Brochure shared.

Ambiente vs Trend:
Look at the price difference for Petrol & Diesel variants. To get the sticker price low (Or, higher profits on the Diesel, whichever way you want to look at), Petrol Ambiente is priced 23K low compared to the Diesel variant which caused more difference in Petrol for Ambiente vs Trend comparison. Check the Trend vs Titanium comparison and the difference is equal between Petrol vs Diesel variants.
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Trend vs Trend+
So, it looks like the premium for Ecoboost is 30K + excise duty benefit.
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Titanium vs Titanium+
Here the Ecoboost difference came to 40K + excise duty benefit. Can't understand the logic of these manufacturers and their variant pricing.
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I thought and put together all the comparisons that could be made realistically. If you think I might have missed any specific comparison, let me know and I'll get it posted.

If people are really interested in the pre-facelift vs post-facelift comparison in terms of what got added for each variant, I can have that posted tomorrow. Let me know.
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What is this non-LED DRL? Does it replace the fog lamps or is it a ring shaped DRL around the fog lamps?
I suppose it is not LEDs that are used to light up the DRLs. Probably something like in the new XUV.
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Source: Autocar

I guess the Trend+ does not have smart key or push button start.. please check the brochure for details. It comes only with the titanium version
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I realize that the only extra features / changes on the face lifted AT version are:
1. DRL
2. The new headlamps with so called signature lightguide
Most or all of these changes were available as accessories with the dealer. but now it will be fitted at factory and I would prefer it that way.

Also when you intend to sell it later, the refreshed version has a psychological effect on the buyer too. this being said, if you are a buyer who cares a damn about these things assess the level of stock of the old variant and baragin for more discount

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Would appreciate response to the following i.e.
a) Will this facelift warrant a official review from TeamBHP?
b) Has anyone planned/taken a TD till now for the Diesel option?
c) Any idea when the bookings will start and the availability of this vehicle? In Hyderabad, the bookings have not started as yet. The dealers are mentioning that it will be available by November.
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I thought and put together all the comparisons that could be made realistically. If you think I might have missed any specific comparison, let me know and I'll get it posted.
Trend+ has R15 steel wheels, Titanium gets R16 alloys.
Looking forward to your pre-facelift vs post-facelift comparison

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Wow! Is this India? A facelift has no notable change on the FACE but significant improvement under the hood. Welcome move!

However they could have at least changed the alloy wheel design so there's some level of difference externally.
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Though the difference is just 20K for different variants, please note some points:

a) Ecosport Diesel, though being sub 4m, and 1.5L, qualifies for 12% excise duty - but still the price is placed at par with S-Cross. At the same price of Ecosport Titanium+, one could buy S-Cross Alpha 1.3 variant. Both engines offer similar BHP and torque. I see S-Cross as perfect VFM here. You could get bigger car, for same price, with similar features.

b) Ecosport Ecoboost petrol. Again falls under 12% tax bracket. This engine is a highly marketed engine, and 1.0L is at the end of the day, a 1.0L engine, whatever the turbo does to boost the performance. If you want to choose Trend+, to get this engine at less cost, please consider Creta 1.6 Base petrol at the same cost. It makes perfect VFM. Yes, I am saying Creta is VFM in this case! 4.3m car, 1.6L petrol, stunning looks, equal level of equipment, but still priced same as 1.0L turbo engine with sub 4m car.

c) If you are checking out Titanium+ of 1.0L Ecoboost or the 1.5L TiVCT engine, Ecosport makes sense, because of the superior level of safety kit on offer.

Ecosport 1.5L TiVCT Engine makes VFM for all variants due to its bigger engine. Buyers of sub 4m compact sedans can find this Trend+ variant a good deal.
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Yes, it's more VFM no doubt. I didn't find the build quality to be any good, felt typically Japanese, don't know what the official review says. And headroom is comparable to the City because for some reason they have jacked the seats up. Abs and dual airbags are nothing special, a five lac rupee Micra gets them. But I don't think that the Scross uses its length as an advantage because it doesn't have the road presence of the Ecosport and nor is it attractive to look at. The discount may seem to be good now but it means that it will be a flop car with not so good resale like the SX4.
All reviews including T-BHP felt S-cross is solidly built car, but you didn't find same way, strange. About road presence it depends purely on opinions. I found both EcoSport and S-cross at par in this case. EcoSport looks more sporty & cute like but S-cross looks sober and classy. When I first sat in EcoSport i was shocked to see space in rear bench. Its very less and fitting 3 adults there is big task. When one is buying car worth 10+ Lacs, I guess this is not acceptable at all. S-cross in comparison has much better rear space and 3 adults can sit easily.

Anyways, coming back to topic, I sincerely feel that ECoSport is no more value for money at all, in fact its costly for what it offers. Ford is clearly charging lot of premiuim here & looting people, not a good thing to do for long run.
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