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Old 5th November 2015, 14:57   #1
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Default Proposal: Govt. to buy pre-owned vehicles to conduct tests

As an after-effect of VW's emission scandal, the Indian Government is proposing to purchase different models of cars that are currently being used on a daily basis by individuals. The whole objective of this purchase is to test whether or not these in-use cars comply with the emission standards as a "conformity of production" (COP) test.

These vehicles are likely to be ones owned by individuals, bought by the competent body to conduct tests and later on, once the testing is complete, these will be sold in the open market.

At present, testing agencies pick samples from the auto manufacturing factories to conduct the COP test.

Et Auto says that the National Automotive Testing and R&D Infrastructure Project (NATRiP) has forwarded this proposal to the Road Transport & Highways ministry.
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It makes sense, in the wake of Volkswagen fiasco, to test the vehicles that are being used on a daily basis, rather than the samples provided by OEM. When you say "competent body", does it mean ARAI or would it be a new panel/group that might be formed by the ministry?
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Do they need to BUY vehicles to test them for PUC?

Even to check for ECU software do vehicles need to be bought. Can they not simply go to service centres to check.

Silly proposal to BUY though Checking is very much appreciated.

And after testing and finding non compliance will then also take action on the people who have been giving vehicles that fail false PUC certificates.

Can the manufacturer not state that the preowned vehicle has been tampered with outside the company? Do we not remap vehicles how ever low the % how would the test hold up legally as there is "no chain of custody to maintain originality"?

What they should do is BUY preowned vehicles and every vehicle that fails the test must be billed to the company manufactured in entirety at original (when new) sale price as punishment.
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Do they need to BUY vehicles to test them for PUC?

Silly proposal to BUY though Checking is very much appreciated.

What they should do is BUY preowned vehicles and every vehicle that fails the test must be billed to the company manufactured in entirety at original (when new) sale price as punishment.
I might have understood differently, but aren't you contradicting your own statements? You say that its a silly proposal to buy the vehicles, while also mentioning that pre-owned vehicles should be bought. Am i missing something?

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And after testing and finding non compliance will then also take action on the people who have been giving vehicles that fail false PUC certificates.
I do accept your point about vehicles passing the PUC test, if the emissions are above the set levels.
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I might have understood differently, but aren't you contradicting your own statements? You say that its a silly proposal to buy the vehicles, while also mentioning that pre-owned vehicles should be bought. Am i missing something?
I maintain that it is a silly proposal to BUY the vehicles. Since they do not require to do it to test for PUC or even for an ECU check which can be done at the service centres with a random raid.

That said it might be a good Idea to BUY vehicles that they are sure are going to fail and then make the manufacturing companies take them back at 100% original value as a penalty - This is just an hypothetical dream situation - will not really happen.
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Brilliant line of thought! If a manufacturer like VW can cheat with lakhs of customer cars, they can & will definitely cheat in providing 'prepared samples' to authorities like ARAI.

That said, buying pre-owned cars isn't the solution. The emissions & overall health would depend on how the 1st owner has kept it. This can be good or bad, but due to the varying nature, it'll be easy for the manufacturer to contest the results in court & blame emission failure on poor maintenance / driving habits.

Instead, the ARAI should take a leaf out of Consumer Report's book. They anonymously walk into a new car dealership and buy a regular car like any layman would. This would be a lot easier & more practical than buying pre-owned cars.
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Why only pre-owned vehicles? They should also buy vehicles from showrooms posing as normal customers to see if the car performs as it did with ARAI.
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Wow! Who comes up with such brilliant plans?

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That said, buying pre-owned cars isn't the solution. The emissions & overall health would depend on how the 1st owner has kept it. This can be good or bad, but due to the varying nature, it'll be easy for the manufacturer to contest the results in court & blame emission failure on poor maintenance / driving habits.
+1. Exactly my thoughts. Maybe, it's all an eyewash to keep the public happy that govt. is doing *something* while nothing really changes on the ground and companies have a ready loophole to exploit.

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Isn't re-registration necessary in 15 years in most states? AFAIK, it also needs a fitness test. Isn't emission test a part of this already? If yes, then all they need to do is make sure the fitness certificate that's required for it, is provided by an entity that's tamper-proof (corruption-free). You will have all sorts of cars coming in to get tested. No need to burn the tax-payer's money or put an xyz cess on petrol/diesel/IT to fund a dream project.

For more control, reduce the fitness certificate requirement to 10 yrs or even 5. But do it in a transparent manner and don't rear another Frankenstein like the RTO.

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