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Old 17th November 2015, 12:30   #1
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Default Latin NCAP - 4 stars for Ford Ka, 5 stars for VW Vento, Honda City, Fit / Jazz and HR-V

http://www.latinncap.com/en/news/856...-selling-model

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The latest results show three new Honda models achieving five stars in Adult Occupant Protection, one of them also scoring five stars in Child Occupant Protection. They also show the recently launched VW Vento, made in India, achieving five stars in Adult Occupant Protection and the Ford Ka scoring four stars for Adult Occupant Protection. The Chevrolet Aveo scored a zero stars and demonstrated a high risk of life threatening injuries.
The 3 Hondas, VW Vento and Ford Ka (sedan) were all rated as having "Stable" bodyshell integrity. VW Vento is manufactured in India, while the others are manufactured in Brazil.

Chevrolet Aveo scored zero for lacking airbags. Moreover, the bodyshell is rated as unstable. The video shows the cabin deforming quite badly.

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Good to see these tests on the cars that are sold in India (mind you not the same spec, but the model)

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The 3 Hondas, VW Vento and Ford Ka (sedan) were all rated as having "Stable" bodyshell integrity. VW Vento is manufactured in India, while the others are manufactured in Brazil.
Unless the Indian made cars are tested we wont know what rating they would get and in turn how safe the vehicle can be. The vehicle structure may be compromised due to the lack luster laws here.
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Default re: Latin NCAP - 4 stars for Ford Ka, 5 stars for VW Vento, Honda City, Fit / Jazz and HR-V

Picking on the Vento. In the absence of any clear cut reports on the car sold in India, as we normally attempt to do, try to arrive at a conclusion based on informed guesses and assumptions. Here are a couple
  • The Vento sold in India does not come with Isofix mounts as far as I know. Definitely not there in my 2013 Vento. Without that I guess the child occupant safety rating would come down a little.
  • The Gross weight (Fully laden weight ) of the Vento sold in India is ~1600 kg (depending on variant). The weight of the car tested (with 2 adults and child) was ~1350 kg as per report. So based on this it maybe fair to assume that the body structure/solidity has not been compromised in the Vento sold in India.
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Even if these cars crash tested by Latin ncap were made in india, there still exists a valid reason to suspect the safety of the cars we get to buy here in India. The cars supplied to Latin ncap maybe cars meant for export and hence better made or as we say " of export quality", while the ones dished out to us maybe compromised. Isn't this the case with Eco sport, grand I10...?
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These results are often misused by the companies to mislead us buyers. I would suggest we ignore these ratings unless cars manufactured and sold in India are tested. In fact that would help us compare the same with these Euro and Latin results. Looking forward to the day that our car manufacturers provide us with equal standard of safety as any western nation.
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Even if these cars crash tested by Latin ncap were made in india, there still exists a valid reason to suspect the safety of the cars we get to buy here in India. The cars supplied to Latin ncap maybe cars meant for export and hence better made or as we say " of export quality", while the ones dished out to us maybe compromised. Isn't this the case with Eco sport, grand I10...?
Nope not true in the case of the EcoSport - Only features (like earlier the LED light bar in the headlight and auto lights and auto wiper) differ for local and export models not impacting the safety ratings. There are local variants trims with all the safety attributes of the international variants.

Though in theory what you say is known to be true for some brands.
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Chevy Aveo's performance is horrible in the crash test, look at the cabin:





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[*]The Vento sold in India does not come with Isofix mounts as far as I know. Definitely not there in my 2013 Vento. Without that I guess the child occupant safety rating would come down a little.
[*]The Gross weight (Fully laden weight ) of the Vento sold in India is ~1600 kg (depending on variant). The weight of the car tested (with 2 adults and child) was ~1350 kg as per report. So based on this it maybe fair to assume that the body structure/solidity has not been compromised in the Vento sold in India.[/list]
Your points are valid to some extent but the 'Indian' Vento had already been tested in earlier Global NCAP tests where the it scored good rating (AFAIK 4 stars). More importantly body shell of Vento and Polo were declared stable in those tests.

http://www.team-bhp.com/news/indian-...ean-ncap-tests


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Nope not true in the case of the EcoSport - Only features (like earlier the LED light bar in the headlight and auto lights and auto wiper) differ for local and export models not impacting the safety ratings. There are local variants trims with all the safety attributes of the international variants.
Ford had to add 300+ new parts in the Ecosport before introducing it in the European market where 150 parts were added in the structure alone to make it more safer and compete the tests successfully:

http://indianautosblog.com/2014/04/f...-europe-127118


Currently I am interested in the crash test results of newly launched Figo twins (made for Indian market).

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Nope not true in the case of the EcoSport - Only features (like earlier the LED light bar in the headlight and auto lights and auto wiper) differ for local and export models not impacting the safety ratings. There are local variants trims with all the safety attributes of the international variants.

Though in theory what you say is known to be true for some brands.
Pretty sure I read the news that Ford had to make over 300 changes to the body structure of the Chennai made ecosport to make it get 5 star rating in Euro ncap. Before that it got a 4 star rating.( missed out that part). So pretty good even before the changes took place but different car nonetheless.
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Just a little confused here. How can a car get 5 stars without curtain airbags(Vento) when it has been also tested for side impact. Are we sure that the dummy was totally safe or minor injuries only without the curtain airbags.
Honestly I have no clue on how this is arrived at. Can some experts throw some light on this?
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Just a little confused here. How can a car get 5 stars without curtain airbags(Vento) when it has been also tested for side impact. Are we sure that the dummy was totally safe or minor injuries only without the curtain airbags.
Honestly I have no clue on how this is arrived at. Can some experts throw some light on this?

Adult occupant protection - Five Stars


Points are awarded from the frontal test. Modifiers are also given to extend the assessment to cover different sizes of people in a variety of seating positions, in particular for the knee contact area.


http://www.latinncap.com/en/the-ratings-explained

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  • The Vento sold in India does not come with Isofix mounts as far as I know. Definitely not there in my 2013 Vento. Without that I guess the child occupant safety rating would come down a little.
http://www.volkswagen.co.in/en/innov...ry/isofix.html

All vehicles in the Volkswagen model range feature ISOFIX mountings in the rear.

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Latin NCAP Publishes First Safety Rankings Of Best And Worst Performing Car Manufacturers In Latin America. VW cars proves the safest in the results.

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It is simply unacceptable in 2015 for a global manufacturer like GM to be producing zero star cars

In order to provide consumers with further comparative data, Latin NCAP has calculated the average star rating awarded to each manufacturer

Based on Adult/Child occupant protection results for all the models tested since 2010, Latin NCAP’s manufacturer ranking is as follows:

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http://www.globalncap.org/latin-ncap...latin-america/

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http://www.volkswagen.co.in/en/innov...ry/isofix.html

All vehicles in the Volkswagen model range feature ISOFIX mountings in the rear.
No they don't. The Polo and Vento sold here does not get the ISOFIX anchors. Only the Jetta does (Passat as well but isn't sold now).

Please don't go by the glossary - VW hasn't bothered to update it for the India-spec models. They supply the same user manual copies and one can find a number of features not available/applicable to the Indian models.

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Currently I am interested in the crash test results of newly launched Figo twins (made for Indian market).[/quote]

But aren't the figo twins the same as the Ka?
Of course the indian spec version may not be identical in construction. But if you look at the kerb weight of the indian and the brazilian model, there is not a significant difference.
We could assume that bodyshell strength would be comparable ?
Since crash tests are not mandated in india, this is the closest comparo we can make with the indian model.

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But aren't the figo twins the same as the Ka?
Of course the indian spec version may not be identical in construction. But if you look at the kerb weight of the indian and the brazilian model, there is not a significant difference.
We could assume that bodyshell strength would be comparable ?
Since crash tests are not mandated in india, this is the closest comparo we can make with the indian model.
Unfortunately this is not how the things work. Kerb weight can be retained by using different two different quality materials which weigh same.

People usually think its the thickness of the sheet metal used in the outer 'skin' panels which contribute in the rigidity and safety of the vehicle but this is not true. Its combination of design, engineering and the grade of the material used in the structure which plays major role in making a vehicle safer.

Sometimes people take weight of the vehicles as reference point for comparison but that also doesn't hold any credibility. We can't trust on manufacturers who sell same models in different countries but have different standards of making them.

The steel and other metal composites used in the internal structure of the safer cars are of very heavy grade but weigh less in weight. Since there are no crash test norms in India and the internal structural components are not visible, the Indian manufacturers usually skip on this part and use different grade material than the original. This is why we see the body shell of of Indian Swift deforms much poorly during the crash test compared to European Swift. Same story with many other car models.

Look at the figure below to understand how the combination of different grade steel is used in the structure:

Latin NCAP - 4 stars for Ford Ka, 5 stars for VW Vento, Honda City, Fit / Jazz and HR-V-figure3nissanmuranobiw1.jpg
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