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Old 4th May 2016, 12:16   #241
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The E variant doesn't get wheel covers? This is shocking. Wheel covers are an extremely basic feature and omitting them from a 'premium' vehicle like the BR-V is not cool.

They better keep the prices competitive for this one.
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if one ignores the Engine/Bhp/Performance figures of the BR-V: what is the USP it has over the Ertiga AT??
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if one ignores the Engine/Bhp/Performance figures of the BR-V: what is the USP it has over the Ertiga AT??
# Better legroom for 3rd row
# More luggage space, both with 3rd up and folded
# 2nd row leg room isn't compromised when 3rd row is folded unlike in Ertiga
# 2nd row seats tumble forward fully to allow better and easier access to 3rd row
# SUVish front face
# Bigger car feel while the Ertiga feels compact

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Honda were too ambitious to price Mobilio way higher than Ertiga and result is there to see. Hope some sense prevails in Honda about the pricing as their days of having premium perception are long gone.
Your assumption is that price is the only contributor to the failure of Mobilio.

But the base model of Ertiga costs Rs. 8.1 lacs (on road) while base Mobilio costs Rs. 8.85 Lacs. That's just a 10% premium - reasonable for a bigger and spacious van, with a more powerful engine. In EMI terms, Rs.75K extra adds up to almost nothing over 5 years. Price is never the only factor for success/failure of a car model (Example: Tata Nano). Very likely Honda made marketing errors when it comes to Mobilio.

Personally, I don't mind the interiors (dashboard) of the Mobilio either. If it had an automatic option, Mobilio would have been in my garage by now.

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There are a few notable features for the base (E) variant itself:

Projector headlamps,
"ECO" indicator,
60:40 & 50:50 split for the 2nd & 3rd rows respectively,
Digital AC controls.

That being said, ABS + EBD missing on the Base petrol is a glaring miss, as is missing Rear AC vents on both fuel types. Maybe this is done because the Base is to be given a mouthwatering introductory price.


The S variant will find the most takers, IMO. You get, in addition to the stuff in E:

Automatic AC,
2-DIN audio with Bluetooth & HFT,
Steering-mounted buttons,
Rear AC vents,
Sliding 2nd row,
Driver seat height adjuster.

That's plenty of goodies for the S MT, going by what the competition is offering.

Judging by the list of features of the V variant, expect a difference of at least a lakh rupees over the S variant.

Overall, I think Honda has spread the features across variants quite evenly. And it reaffirms my earlier point in this thread - expecting a competitive pricing for the top 3 variants might be tough. The E variant could be the most competitively priced, but expect the S, V & VX variants to be priced right up alongside the Creta (knowing Honda).

If they manage to shave off at least 50,000-70,000 rupees from the Creta's pricing (variant-to-variant), I would be extremely happy. But I don't see that happening now.

I would love to be proved wrong, though.
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What exactly is LED position lamps? Nice to see the Auto door lock by speed function. I missed this in all my previous Honda's.
Any information on whether the seatbelt is height adjustable for the front row. My 2nd last gen City has it, whereas they skipped it on the latest gen City.

Edit: Just got a sms invitation for the launch at 12 pm on 5/5/16, at the dealership where I have pre-booked.

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# Better legroom for 3rd row
# More luggage space, both with 3rd up and folded
# 2nd row leg room isn't compromised when 3rd row is folded unlike in Ertiga
# 2nd row seats tumble forward fully to allow better and easier access to 3rd row
# SUVish front face
# Bigger car feel while the Ertiga feels compact
& that my friend is what Honda should keep in mind while pricing it !!
fyi... The Ertiga AT costs 9.5L OTR in Delhi
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If they manage to shave off at least 50,000-70,000 rupees from the Creta's pricing (variant-to-variant), I would be extremely happy. But I don't see that happening now.

I would love to be proved wrong, though.
IMO, undercutting the Creta by 50-70 k won't be enough. The introductory price should be at least 1-1.5 lakh rupees below the Creta. That should give the initial sales some momentum, and they can always raise the prices later.
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IMO, undercutting the Creta by 50-70 k won't be enough. The introductory price should be at least 1-1.5 lakh rupees below the Creta. That should give the initial sales some momentum, and they can always raise the prices later.
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If they manage to shave off at least 50,000-70,000 rupees from the Creta's pricing (variant-to-variant), I would be extremely happy. But I don't see that happening now.

I would love to be proved wrong, though.
Features list is pretty much same as Mobilio E, S, V variants, and V(O) although V(O) gets additional touch screen audio in Mobilio. Assuming Honda is going to charge 1L more for the butch looks and projector headlamps etc, my prediction for prices would be as below -

E - 8.1L (Petrol), 9.6 (Diesel)
S - 9.2L (Petrol), 10.4 (Diesel)
V - 10.49 (Petrol), 11.55 (Diesel)
VX - 11.1 (Petrol), 12.12 (Diesel).
VX (AT) - 12.2 (Petrol)

Creta is priced between 9.15 to 12.86 for the petrol variants including automatic and 9.99 to 14.43 for the diesel manual variants. Comparing variants feature wise, I guess we can say its about 60-70k less than Creta?

I would be seriously amazed if people spent more than 1L over Mobilio just for the look alone. The car is almost identical in every other aspect, and same money gets you much more features in the Mobilio RS variants.
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E - 8.1L (Petrol), 9.6 (Diesel)
S - 9.2L (Petrol), 10.4 (Diesel)
V - 10.49 (Petrol), 11.55 (Diesel)
VX - 11.1 (Petrol), 12.12 (Diesel).
VX (AT) - 12.2 (Petrol)
Only problem with that pricing, it is bang in the Honda City's territory!

Honda wouldn't want either of their offerings to eat into each other's sales, although, given a choice, people would still go for the City over the BR-V, just for the more premium feeling, better interiors and more features.


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Also, Honda charges a premium of ~1,23,000 rupees for it's corresponding diesel variants.

Another benchmark - the Duster costs between 8.47L - 13.57 lacs.

It's tricky - on one side it's a 7-seater, on the other it isn't as feature-loaded as the City. But, going by Creta/Duster pricing, expect the BR-V to be priced higher than the City.

After this latest scoop, I would take out around 20,000/- rupees for the entry-level variant from my prediction.

My final prediction - 8.5 lacs to 13 lacs, considering that the BR-V is not coming with a diesel AT option and neither it has an AWD option.

If there's an RS version on the way, I expect it to be priced at around 1.10 lac rupees over the nearest top variant.

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Just saw a wine red color (or whatever its called) BR-V outside the local dealership. I told Dad that its a new one being launched by Honda and his reaction was that its already owned by a colleague of his. I told him that this is not a Mobilio (owned by his colleague) but a new SUV from Honda. Dad was not convinced. This car has an uncanny resemblance to Mobilio. A request to all Mobilio owners and prospective owners of BR-V, dont get me wrong. I somehow did not like the looks of this car. I have not seen it up close or driven it. On paper it does look great with 7 seats and all but, looks get me all
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E - 8.1L (Petrol), 9.6 (Diesel)
S - 9.2L (Petrol), 10.4 (Diesel)
V - 10.49 (Petrol), 11.55 (Diesel)
VX - 11.1 (Petrol), 12.12 (Diesel).
VX (AT) - 12.2 (Petrol)

Creta is priced between 9.15 to 12.86 for the petrol variants including automatic and 9.99 to 14.43 for the diesel manual variants.
What we also need to remember is that the Creta diesel variants starting at 9.99 lakhs are powered by a 1.4l 88 bhp engine which would probably be really underpowered for such a heavy car. The 1.6l diesel range starts at 12.36 lakhs.

The pricing that you mentioned would be perfect, as it undercuts the Creta by more than 2 lakhs (top end diesel), and puts it right alongside the Duster. While the Duster has a better ride and a more SUV-ish appeal, the BR-V has much better interiors and 7 seats, qualities that matter to the mainstream buyer.

A lot of people would consider that as VFM, and ignore its weaker points in favour of its practicality, and not to mention the huge price advantage over the Creta.

Also I don't think the BR-V will cannibalize the City. The City looks good, is feature loaded and has a certain premium feel to it, all of which the BR-V lacks.

Honda's pricing has always been a hit or miss. The Amaze and City were priced perfectly at launch, but the same can't be said about the Mobilio and 1st gen Jazz. Let's hope better sense prevails this time.

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Strange. When I called up my sales person at Honda dealership today, he said something along the lines of "Sir, Delhi launch is tomorrow yes, but all India launch is only on 12th". This dealership is getting a BRV for customer test drive only on 12th apparently.
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so the CVT will not get Hill Start Assist even? I am guessing that they are holding on to the Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) for an "RS" version in the future.

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so the CVT will not get HSA even?
CVT variant doesn't need Hill Start Assist. The car doesn't roll back even on an incline. It actually creeps forward a bit when you remove your foot from the brake (speaking from experience of driving the Honda City CVT)
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