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Old 16th December 2015, 11:24   #1
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Default Supreme Court bans registration of diesel cars over 2,000 cc in Delhi & NCR:EDIT lifted with 1% cess

The Supreme Court today banned the registration of diesel SUVs and cars above 2000cc in the national capital till March 31, saying the decision will not affect the common man.

The top court also ruled that commercial vehicles registered before 2005, which are not Delhi bound, will not be allowed to enter the national capital through entry points NH-8 and NH-1.......

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Default SC bans registration of diesel SUVs & cars with engines beyond 2000 cc in Delhi & NCR

SC bans registration of diesel SUVs & cars with engines beyond 2000 cc in Delhi & NCR till March 31. Key points:-
1. banned registration of diesel-run SUVs and cars having engines beyond 2000 cc in Delhi and NCR till March 31, next year
2. raised by 100 per cent the green cess being levied on commercial vehicles entering Delhi
3. Commercial vehicles, which are not Delhi bound, will not be allowed to enter national capital through entry points NH-8 and NH-1
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Wonder what will the luxury makers do now
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Wonder what will the luxury makers do now
They will just register in neighbouring states and drive in Delhi. The decision makers in all their wisdom, have not banned private diesel vehicles with 2L + engines registered elsewhere from entering Delhi. Now the revenue will go elsewhere, while Delhi will remain as polluted as now. Wonder why they are not able to see this and address the pollution problem, rather than coming up with such knee-jerk reactions.
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They will just register in neighbouring states and drive in Delhi. The decision makers in all their wisdom, have not banned private diesel vehicles with 2L + engines registered elsewhere from entering Delhi.
True. But this case certainly will sow the seeds for this scenario to be replicated in other metro cities and major cities. I had read a few days earlier that IIT (Kanpur, I believe) was preparing a holistic technical report on this subject. That should help in making logical decisions (I hope).
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If they try to control their sales, we have a workaround by registering them in other states, if they try to control their usage by odd-even formula, we complain. What the Govt do. I am sure that after few years we will be complaining that the Govt did nothing and had it been some foreign country they would have taken strong action. This time atleast someone put the complete judgement of the SC and not just the banning of SUV part and we were spared of sensational posts and their replies.
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I am sure that after few years we will be complaining that the Govt did nothing and had it been some foreign country they would have taken strong action.
Exactly. The pollution is created by rampant usage of fossil fuelled vehicles, which are poorly maintained - mostly public vehicles like trucks and buses. All these measures, even if strictly enforced will only help reduce pollution by a negligible percentage. IMHO, NGT & SC are barking up the wrong tree.
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To curb the menace of air pollution the Supreme Court has decided to levy a ban on registration of cars above 2000 cc till 31st March, 2016. The court has also directed a ban on registration of luxury diesel vehicles. “Why should a rich man travel in a diesel car and pollute the environment,” (sic) the bench said. Please note that 75% of sales of Mercedes, Audi and BMW are attributable to diesel cars. Other points to be noted are -
* All taxis have to be run on CNG fuel by 31st March 2016.
* An increase of 100% on environment tax for trucks that enter Delhi. This is to ensure that trucks that only 'pass through' Delhi are discouraged to do so.
* State and Central government departments will work out details to ensure that commercial vehicles registered before 2005 are not allowed to enter Delhi.
* The bench will meet again in early January to decide the fate of existing Diesel vehicles. There will probably be an Environment compensation charge levied to discourage such vehicles to ply on roads.
* The diesel registration ban for 2000cc+ vehicles applies to entire NCR (till 31st March 2016) (when the bench meets again they can decide whether or not to make the ban permanent)
* The court has also upheld the odd even formula of the Delhi government to be applicable from 1st Jan, 2016.

What are your opinions on the matter ?

Mods please merge this post with the existing Delhi Diesel ban thread if you feel the need to do so.

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3. Commercial vehicles, which are not Delhi bound, will not be allowed to enter national capital through entry points NH-8 and NH-1 ...
Does that mean the long queues of trucks in the night will no longer be there? How will it be decided where the trucks are headed? What alternate routes can they now use?

Don't know but if the incoming trucks in Delhi can be averted, that itself will reduce pollution significantly imo.
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Does that mean the long queues of trucks in the night will no longer be there? How will it be decided where the trucks are headed? What alternate routes can they now use?

Don't know but if the incoming trucks in Delhi can be averted, that itself will reduce pollution significantly imo.
It is not required to decide where the truck is headed.
The increased (by 100%) green cess will act as a deterrent to those trucks which just pass through Delhi and now they will be incentivised to take a slightly longer route and avoiding the city.
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http://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi...w/45802530.cms



Dust is responsible for the majority (53%) of all particulate pollution in Delhi while vehicles overall contribute just 6% of particulate emissions.

Both the Kejriwal Govt. and the NGT have been trying to cover up their inefficiency and incapability in cleaning up the roads and taking actio n against the real estate companies which are the second largest source of dust.

Burning of crop residues in neughbouring states and the particulate pollution from industries surrounding Delhi are the source for the remaining particulate emissions.

Before someone questions the genuinity of the facts, this is from a report submitted to the Honorable Supreme Court by the Ministry of Environment and Forests.

The solution is cleaning up dust from the roads, controlling the real estate lobby and relocating industrues surrounding Delhi and not banning vehicles of any sort or this dumb odd even formula.

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The funny thing is this: There is no category called "SUV" outside of the marketing handbook. All "SUVs" are registered under the hatchback category, which is what they technically are. They can ban registration of diesel cars over 2000cc, yes. That is easy. But how will they ban registration of, say, a Quanto or a TUV when they are technically hatchbacks?
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The funny thing is this: There is no category called "SUV" outside of the marketing handbook. All "SUVs" are registered under the hatchback category, which is what they technically are. They can ban registration of diesel cars over 2000cc, yes. That is easy. But how will they ban registration of, say, a Quanto or a TUV when they are technically hatchbacks?
The judgement only affects vehicles which have a diesel engine of capacity of 2000 cc (2.0L) or above whether they are sedans,hatchbacks or SUV's.

I feared the court would ban all diesel vehicles but the Supreme court has shown some sanity unlike the Kejriwal Govt. and the NGT.

A lot vehicles have 1998 cc or 1997 cc rounded off as 2000 cc or 2.0L engines. These vehicles would escape the ban.

Luxury vehicles like Audi A4,A6,Q3,Q5 and BMW 320,520,X1,X3 would escape from this techinicality.
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It is not required to decide where the truck is headed.
The increased (by 100%) green cess will act as a deterrent to those trucks which just pass through Delhi and now they will be incentivised to take a slightly longer route and avoiding the city.
To set the perspective - Earlier, the court had imposed a green cess of Rs 700 on light duty vehicles and Rs 1,300 on three-axle vehicles seeking to enter Delhi. This is in addition to the toll tax charged. Now, this will be doubled i.e. Rs 1400 and Rs 2,600, respectively.

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Does that mean the long queues of trucks in the night will no longer be there? How will it be decided where the trucks are headed? What alternate routes can they now use?
I hope and guess so. Destination of trucks can probably be determined from their Bill of Lading.
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Do we have data to measure the impact of such measures on city's pollution? I mean, a temporary ban on diesel vehicles over 2 litre for 3 months will affect the sales of automotive companies. Will this bring down the pollution, and if yes, by what percentage points?

Is there anyone who has the historical data of Delhi's day-wise Particulate-Matter emissions for the past 20 years?

If we are taking policy decisions, there needs to be a basis for that. I am not sure if any authority in Delhi has such historical benchmark data. Running trials would be useful only if we can show up tangible difference in pollution percentage points and we can then attribute the clean-up on these policy decisions.

What I see is that more and more 'sentiment-driven' decisions are being taken. We would rather focus ourselves on logical studies and sane reasoning before taking any such steps.

In a State like Delhi, how many cars are getting registered with an engine rating above 2 litres? A few hundred I suppose. Rather than focusing energy on these, if the SC comes up with a plan to test diesel fuel quality and impose heavy penalties on Diesel adulteration, much more can be achieved with lesser collateral damage.

As a common man, I do not have the visibility of all the data that the Delhi Government, the NGT or the SC has. But, my intent is clear. If you want to crush Delhi pollution, you need to touch the right areas and causes. For now, most decisions taken during past 6 months are high on collateral damage and low on meaningful substance.

Sadly, we are looking at missed opportunities once again.
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