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Old 4th March 2017, 01:43   #496
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I would have to disagree with you regarding the above. Engines are made efficient not only through quantum leaps in technology. But through regular improvements in terms of improving tolerances, removing frictional losses, reducing heat losses, improving injector design etc. 3 cylinder turbos are here to stay. As engine designers, we used to believe in the old adage, there is no replacement for displacement. But it doesn't hold true anymore. The 3 cylinders can be made as good as any modern 4 cylinder engines. It takes money and effort , that's it, nothing more, no utopian solutions. Regarding Boosterjet, my company which specialises in Turbo engines, would definitely be having a closer look. I will definitely share any non confidential takeaway from the same.
Explain to me how I am able to achieve 10kmpl in city conditions in my 2.4 liter Kizashi? A mileage figure that many Ford Ecosport ecoboost owners report as well. Theoretically 3cyl turbocharged engines are more efficient but not in the real world. I never said reducing frictional and heat losses doesn't improve efficiency and should not be done. That pursuit should be continued but hacking off cylinders and adding turbos simply hasn't shown any results yet. If I can get the same mileage as a 3cyl turbocharged car in the city as I can in a smoother, better sounding, more responsive 4cyl 1.5 Vtec, I'd choose the VTEC any day. Lab tests and absolute numbers that are achieved under ideal conditions are one thing but the factors involved in driving in a city, means that none of those advantages trickles down to the real world and at the same time, we as consumers end up having to pay such a high premium for the cost it took develop and setup manufacturing of this little 3cyl motor.

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Positives of Baleno RS from my perpective:
3. 16 inch alloys vs. 14 inch alloys
Fellow BHPians please help me choose between the RS and the Figo TDi Titanium (O) variant.
You are the only one who can choose. I'd just like to point out that the Baleno having 16 inch alloys over the Figos 14 inch ones, could also be seen as a negative. Tyre manufacturers mostly locally produce tyre models upto 15inches. There are a few options in the 16inch space that are locally manufactured, but very few. The rest cost a lot. Those 14 inch tyres on the other hand are easy and substantially cheaper to procure. The money you spend on regular 16inch tyres can buy you sport tyres in the 14inch size so there's the long term savings aspect to be considered as well.

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Default re: The Maruti Baleno RS: 1.0L turbo-petrol engine. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 8.69 lakh

Oops!

I thought it will be about 80k more than the 1.2 Alpha. 1.4 lakhs is too big a difference.

And 27k more than the MJD really shows the premium Maruti is charging. The MJD has similar mechanical components as the BoosterJet and Maruti doesn't have to pay royalty on the BoosterJet.

Anyways, let see how it drives and sells. Hopefully, we will get the sales numbers differently for the RS.

And this is how it compares against the other petrol biggies in the segment.
The Maruti Baleno RS: 1.0L turbo-petrol engine. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 8.69 lakh-balenorsspeccomparorevised.jpg

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Ford Figo has a NA 1.5L Petrol engine. It's strange how main stream auto portals overlook such mistakes.

Now coming to the price, if the RS is priced even more than Diesel Alpha I wonder what will the price of Brezza be if and when it comes with a Boosterjet?
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The Hot Hatch scene for the Indian enthusiast on a budget, according to my opinion, is as follows:

1. Punto Abarth - Undoubtedly the true king of affordable hot hacthes in India for obvious reasons.
2. Figo 1.5 Tdci - Mesmerising engine, Superb built and impeccable value for money make this hatch truly deserving for the second spot.
3. Polo GT Twins - Great cars. Awesome engines plonked into the chassis of the normal car. A little overpriced especially when compared to Figo.

Baleno RS - Sorry but plonking a turbocharger in a 3 cylinder engine doesn't make enough power. It doesn't bring the refinement as well.
All show and No go, This is what the hatch would be best described as. Period.
First, I would take Punto Abarth out of the comparison list. Punto abarth had sold less than 100 units in first 3 months of 2016. http://www.zeebiz.com/automobile/new...ectations-1573
A car that sells around 25-30 cars in a month all over India is seriously not competition for Baleno RS. Why is no one buying this 'king' car? It is not even in the competition list for Baleno RS with Fiat's reputation in India

Second, plonking a turbocharger in a 3 cylinder petrol does make more power. See 100+ BHP of Baleno RS vs. 84 bhp of the K-series naturally aspirated petrol. Turbocharged RS petrol is capable of making max torque from 1,700-4,500rpm while the naturally aspirated k-series engine’s produces max pulling power only at 4,000rpm. Turbo-charged petrols have a strong mid-range that naturally aspirated petrols don't

Third, Mileage is important to most consumers. The Palio first generation was an impeccable car but did not sell due to reported 9 kpl mileage in the city. MS has done a smart thing to de-tune the power by 10% to ensure high mileage.

MS has a winner here. All 4 disc brakes, Same global baleno chassis and body as sold WW, powerful engine slightly de-tuned for mileage, a manual gear box! - can't wait to compare the sales figures of Baleno RS to its competitors
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I am not a big fan of Baleno but I feel that the pricing is apt from Maruti. Why?

1) Performance hatch priced well below the TSI
2) Turbo petrol with manual transmission. Something VW has denied since it's inception
3) All disc brakes
4) Maruti ASS
5) Tuned suspension : The GT comes with the normal polo suspension that feels soft. We will have to wait and see how the RS suspension performs, though.
6) Diesel like FE, at least on paper.

So for those who like Baleno, you just can't go wrong with the RS
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The pecking order for performance hot hatches haven't been rattled much IMO. Somehow I feel Maruti haven't given its best. Hence my rankings after taking into consideration VFM and performance still remain the same.

1. Figo 1.5 D
2. Abarth Punto
3. Polo GTi / Polo GT Tsi (Down the order since AT only)
4. Baleno RS

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And this is how it compares against the other petrol biggies in the segment.
IMO it's an incomplete comparison, when the Figo 1.5 D is left out of the picture.

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Default re: The Maruti Baleno RS: 1.0L turbo-petrol engine. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 8.69 lakh

Here's a more comprehensive comparo between the options in this price segment:

The Maruti Baleno RS: 1.0L turbo-petrol engine. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 8.69 lakh-untitled.jpg
(Click on the image to *OPEN* in a NEW window)

At first glance, it might look like an apples vs oranges comparison, but for someone who is cross-shopping across segments in this particular price range and looking for performance numbers, this serves as a good guide.

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Kudos to Maruti Suzuki for coming out of the 'Kitna Deti Hai' mode to 'Made of Speed'

I was expecting it to undercut GT TSI by 1 Lacs atleast but even then thats the premium manufacturers charge for AT. You have a proper 4 cylinder, bigger displacement engine under the hood of the GT.

Comparing car-to-car, the GT TSI is the better car in terms of price, better build quality, interior fit and finish, high tech AT box.

But then, hold on...

If I bring the ownership experience and A.S.S into the equation, the Baleno seems to be the better option, plus you don't have a turbo charged MT option currently other than the RS.

So what the Baleno gives you over the GT TSI

1. Spacious interiors
2. Bigger boot
3. Manual transmission
4. All round disc brakes
5. Different suspension set up than the regular Baleno
6. Better service standard and A.S.S support
7. Peaceful ownership experience

Driving a FTD car knowing that it would not fall apart is the real F-U-N.

I don't deny that MSIL has overpriced it, but then you don't have an option* if you want a manual transmission turbo petrol. The price could have been justified had they included,

1. Side & curtain airbags
2. Sunroof

Awaiting reviews on how it drives, should be a hoot to drive considering how good Maruti/Suzuki engineers are at tuning engines

Baleno RS is should be worth its price as a safe option for enthusiasts.

*I have not considered the Abarth Punto since its a niche car, as niche as a super car. Not considering the Revotron twins from TATA, since the performance was nothing the write home about.

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Maruti should have given 6 airbags considering the premium they are charging.
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Only a 40k undercut from the GT TSI is not good. This will again go more the way of the Abarth than the Polo in my opinion. See everyone cribs about not having an AT in the top spec trim (which the Polo and Ameo solve) and I feel if someone would be spending this much amount on a petrol hatchback, they would definitely look at the Polo as well. Baleno isn't giving any VFM in the 1.4L they are charging over and above the 1.2 petrol. Also I don't think this car will get a price cut because it's a niche car and not a priority mass seller. Let's see the sales numbers and the reviews which compare it to the Polo. The Figo is definitely a segment lower and I doubt it'll steal many buyers away. Driving a turbo petrol is a different experience when you compare it to a diesel even if they have more torque.
I would have got this as a car for home city runs, but the pricing is off by a big margin. Would consider it if it had undercut the Polo by >1L
And 40k in EMI terms is nothing.
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40K cut is good enough over the Polo. Most would prefer the engine in MT avatar vs. automatic.
Plus, Baleno deserves to be priced close to the Polo despite MT as they have a separate suspension setup for the RS (that VW does not have for GT TSI), they have detuned the engine partially for more mileage (definitely more mileage than GT TSI), all 4 disc brakes (not present in VW) and most importantly, the same chassis/build as WW (This is the same Baleno chassis/body that ships Worldwide and is the latest Baleno - cannot say the same about Polo)
Baleno RS could have been priced at par with GT TSI as well owing to the above.

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Only a 40k undercut from the GT TSI is not good. This will again go more the way of the Abarth than the Polo in my opinion. See everyone cribs about not having an AT in the top spec trim (which the Polo and Ameo solve) and I feel if someone would be spending this much amount on a petrol hatchback, they would definitely look at the Polo as well. Baleno isn't giving any VFM in the 1.4L they are charging over and above the 1.2 petrol. Also I don't think this car will get a price cut because it's a niche car and not a priority mass seller. Let's see the sales numbers and the reviews which compare it to the Polo. The Figo is definitely a segment lower and I doubt it'll steal many buyers away. Driving a turbo petrol is a different experience when you compare it to a diesel even if they have more torque.
I would have got this as a car for home city runs, but the pricing is off by a big margin. Would consider it if it had undercut the Polo by >1L
And 40k in EMI terms is nothing.
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So what the Baleno gives you over the GT TSI
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3. Manual transmission
The Polo GT has the DSG which is way better than the Manual.

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5. Different suspension set up than the regular Baleno
That's an advantage over the regular Baleno, not the Polo. The stock Polo suspension is good enough and possibly better than the Baleno RS set up.

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. Most would prefer the engine in MT avatar vs. automatic.
Actually automatics are becoming more popular.

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Plus, Baleno deserves to be priced close to the Polo despite MT as they have a separate suspension setup for the RS (that VW does not have for GT TSI),
I don't see how this proves that the RS is better than the GT. The RS suspension is better than the stock Baleno. The stock Polo suspension that's on the GT could be better than the RS.
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The Polo GT has the DSG which is way better than the Manual.
Not true. Many of us enthusiasts prefer manual gearboxes as they are more engaging. Already nowadays, everything is becoming electronic. Seems like the car relies more on it's tech than the skills of it's driver. Not a good thing from an enthusiasts point of view.

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That's an advantage over the regular Baleno, not the Polo. The stock Polo suspension is good enough and possibly better than the Baleno RS set up.
Not true. Polo TSI has a soft suspension which is good for bad roads but not at all good for cornering. Ironic considering it is marketed as a sporty car. Only the engine does not make a car sporty.

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I don't see how this proves that the RS is better than the GT. The RS suspension is better than the stock Baleno. The stock Polo suspension that's on the GT could be better than the RS.
Can't be too sure of it. Let's wait for comprehensive road tests and ownership reviews first. Then we'll make a conclusion as to which car is better.

Polo TSI is just a regular Polo with TSI engine and DSG gearbox. Baleno RS has a different suspension and 4 disc brakes.

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If the engine has grunt that was capped by MSIL pretty soon there will be hacks from the tuner community that will not just unleash it but probably take it further. But what the car should not skimp on is the structural strength and safety equipment. Good that it comes with all round discs but why not more airbags - totally agree with Scarlet fever on this one.
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