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Old 6th May 2016, 09:54   #481
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This move from Toyota opens up Lodgy and Xylo yet again for consideration. But it will again be short lived and Toyota will win even more handsomely. Mahindra blew up their opportunity big time - Xylo is a poor product. Hope they are working on its ride/looks/aspirational ability.

Aside: Is Toyota exiting the sub 14L people mover space? I dont believe this. Maybe they are readying an Etios based MPV?
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After having sat in one going from Pune to Lavasa on the twisty bits, I swore to myself that I would never again travel in one. The ride and handling is atrocious and it gave me so much motion sickness in the corners that I almost puked after I got down. Coming back I sat in the Innova and volia, light and day difference.

The problem is that it is too ugly inside out as a private vehicle (no offence) and not as reliable as Toyota for Taxi duties. Kind of like in the middle of nowhere.
Ride quality was a big issue with Xylo, and the D varients that were used by the taxi operators used to come with 13 inch tyres which made the ride even more worse, and this made a very bad impact on the overall image of Xylo.Read the ownership threads on team-bhp and you would realize that ride isnt that bad, that the bad ride you got on a taxi Xylo was because it might have been a lower varient maintained badly. But since then they have made drastic changes to the suspension of Xylo and that too across all varients. Now even the D varients come with the same suspension as H varients. My Xylo has ABS and even has electronic stability control. Once while overtaking, I was going above 140 KMPH and approaching an overpass. On the uneven expansion joints coupled with bad patches on the road Electronic stability control kicked in and I could hear the loud beep coming from the car indicating the same.
I wrote about Xylo on this thread because I wanted people to know that apart from the usuals- ertiga, mobilio, lodgy there is another worthy competitor for Innova. It is the only other ladder on frame UV in the segment and costs half of what now Innova crysta does.
Looks are subjective, and I don't think the Xylo can be termed ugly.
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Ride quality was a big issue with Xylo, and the D varients that were used by the taxi operators used to come with 13 inch tyres which made the ride even more worse, and this made a very bad impact on the overall image of Xylo.Read the ownership threads on team-bhp and you would realize that ride isnt that bad, that the bad ride you got on a taxi Xylo was because it might have been a lower varient maintained badly. But since then they have made drastic changes to the suspension of Xylo and that too across all varients. Now even the D varients come with the same suspension as H varients. My Xylo has ABS and even has electronic stability control. Once while overtaking, I was going above 140 KMPH and approaching an overpass. On the uneven expansion joints coupled with bad patches on the road Electronic stability control kicked in and I could hear the loud beep coming from the car indicating the same.
I wrote about Xylo on this thread because I wanted people to know that apart from the usuals- ertiga, mobilio, lodgy there is another worthy competitor for Innova. It is the only other ladder on frame UV in the segment and costs half of what now Innova crysta does.
Looks are subjective, and I don't think the Xylo can be termed ugly.
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Valiant defence but I have not sat in one afterwards. Frankly could not be bothered because the first impression was so bad. I also test drove one when it came out and the lifeless steering and general handling was an absolute joke and it was a top end variant for the time. I really doubt it came with different suspension for different variants. There could be a difference in the suspension tune but basic engineering, and I am sure Mahindra engineers know this, says that variants with smaller tyres should have come with firmer suspension.

Yes looks are subjective but compared to Xylo, Innova looks to be sitting squat. It too high for its width and that is also the reason for poor dynamics at speeds.

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No dude cheapest GX variant ( 7 seater MT ) is around 15.2 Lakh ex-showroom Bangalore implying an on road price in Bangalore should be in the range of 18.5L
I booked the GX AT at Blore OTR of 20.25 L.
Traded in of my 2007 Jan Innova G4 which had run 1.23L kms and good for another 1.5L for 6.30 Lakhs
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I booked the GX AT at Blore OTR of 20.25 L.
Traded in of my 2007 Jan Innova G4 which had run 1.23L kms and good for another 1.5L for 6.30 Lakhs
Superb choice of upgrade. You can easily put a music system and reverse camera of choice on this car and custom dress it up as you please for a few extra lakhs. The 5 - 6 lakh saving on the GX is indeed quite tempting. Not to mention the ability to get it in 8 seater guise.

Re the Xylo discussion:

I once sat in a Xylo when my office cab service sent it in the name of an Innova booking. The ride quality in the front and back both was HORRIBLE.

Since then, my office has a standing instruction: If they don't have Innova (or a Lodgy which some chaps use and is superbly comfortable), downgrade me to a Dzire or move me to Sunny segment but I should NEVER EVER be sent a Xylo again.

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I once sat in a Xylo when my office cab service sent it in the name of an Innova booking. The ride quality in the front and back both was HORRIBLE.

Since then, my office has a standing instruction: If they don't have Innova (or a Lodgy which some chaps use and is superbly comfortable), downgrade me to a Dzire or move me to Sunny segment but I should NEVER EVER be sent a Xylo again.
I don't understand the hate for the Xylo's ride quality.

I travelled in a shared Xylo taxi that too on the third row seat from Srinagar to Leh through non existent roads in Kargil and Zozila pass . The ride on bad roads is no way bad by any means. On good roads after Kargil till Leh, there was a bit of bodyroll when taking corners at high speed but that is normal for a high CG vehicle.

The tour operator had booked the third row seat for me and given an option I would have chosen the much more comfortable second row.

The Innova's third is cramped by comparison and I can' t judge the ride quality because the travel took place on butter smooth NH in Tamil Nadu.

I came away impressed with Xylo after that trip. Cobsidering the Xylo with ABS and airbags comes almost at half the cost of a comparable innova , its a no brainer to go for the Xylo.

The Innova is no Ford or Renault when it comes to ride and handling though and the Lodgy would be my pick just for that reason. The bar set is anyways low.

I test drove a lot of cars like Scorpio , i20, Zest, XUV, Duster, Ecosport , Baleno, Swift, Ciaz, City, Verna, Vento to replace my Figo and the usual suspects in good ride + handling combo like Zest , Ecosport and Duster were my only choices.

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Xylo as an alternative for Innova, that too for private use?

Pathetic interiors
Idiot-looking exteriors (if someone knows who designed this creature, please message me).
Bouncy ride
Body-role on every possible occasion
The "cheap" tag written all over it...

Innova is miles ahead of Xylo in all these departments.

Just space and power is not everything when it comes to vehicles. The desirability is a main thing for me.

Mod note: Try to control your tone of voice. You do not have the right to insult anybody's personal choice and preferences. Pleas treat this note as a warning. Thanks.

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Checked out the Innova Crysta at 'Nippon Toyota' just a while back.
  • There is no TD. Guess they know for sure it will sell without a TD.
  • The waiting period quoted was 6 months across variants. Guess, it will take around 3 to 4 months.
  • The showroom was full of people checking the 4 variants on display. Nippon has given prominence to the Innova and all the other vehicles were not in immediate sight. They have stock of older model in G variants if someone is interested.
  • I quite liked the Z and VX variants. Yes, they are expensive. But I guess its okay to overshoot the budget for a vehicle like Innova.
  • The GX variant is atrocious. There is 'Q Class' style cost cutting just about everywhere. For a vehicle which costs 18 - 19 lakhs, its such a shame.
  • Toyota really should have released the VX with the 2.8L AT.
  • And for MT, not having 6 speed is also a bummer.

The pictures then:

Z. The gloss black on the grille and the 17" wheels are the big differences outside.
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VX. So bad this doesn't get an AT box.
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VX has a very nice cabin. Too bad there is no 2.8L AT here.
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That's the 3 point seat belt for the middle passenger for the second row. There is a similar one for the third row too. Very cool!
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GX. The interior is a sad place to be in this one.
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Photos make it look a little better. The plastic bits are sturdy but its not what I would want when I pay 19.6L for the GX AT. What was Toyota thinking?
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Steering gets both reach and rake adjustment in GX.
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Knee airbag standard across variants. Good move.
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Second row seat is very easy to tumble. You no longer take the 7 seater for easy access into the rear.
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Reasonable space in the third row.
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Now, sit down and look through your polarized shades for this one - The Nippon 'Chrome Pack' Limited Edition!

Thankfully, the sales guy didn't tell me the total cost for this one. This is the GX variant dressed up here. We can expect a lot to be released on the roads soon.

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Its chrome just about everywhere.
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Don't know how they missed the rear wiper.
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The leather was quite nice and the stitching was also very consistent.
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The Nippon limited edition by the dealer, looks very nice from the rear. Same cant be said about the front though.
The seat cover fitting also seems immaculate, are those dealer fitted or factory fitted ?
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The interiors of the Nippon limited edition look quite good. The interiors no longer look drab. I am pretty sure that many GX variant customers people will atleast go for that interior package. The only major thing missing will be the steering controls.
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I fall in the no. 1 & 4 category, because I want VFM and at 25 lakhs OTR, I don't perceive any VFM in the Car.
I sold my A4 2 months ago and got good amount of money on the sale, however, the current price of the Innova, just doesn't make any sense to me. I would rather add another 10 lakhs and get myself an Endy.

I am no 'INNOVA' buyer, but I own an Innova because of the need to move 7 people at times.In 2010, Innova was the cheaper option as a 7 people car @ around 12 Lakhs for the fully loaded version. Today, I have many cheaper options for moving 7 people within the city. So, apart from fan-boys and torque lovers, the rest will bash it as they have options. Try to see the haters from a point of view that is different than yours.
Having owned every generation of the Innova right from the Qualis, I am a die hard fan of the product. Its a reliable workhorse like no other and offers fantastic resale value. When you factor that into the equation the price makes a little more sense.

For instance I am getting 9.5 lacs for my 5 year old Innova with 96,000 kms on it. Thats almost 60% of the price I paid for it. No other car in India has that kind of resale value.
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Having owned every generation of the Innova right from the Qualis, I am a die hard fan of the product. Its a reliable workhorse like no other and offers fantastic resale value. When you factor that into the equation the price makes a little more sense.



For instance I am getting 9.5 lacs for my 5 year old Innova with 96,000 kms on it. Thats almost 60% of the price I paid for it. No other car in India has that kind of resale value.

I've said before that the Innova is possibly the only vehicle that APPRECIATED over time. 😂

By going over the 15L bracket with the new model, they probably are eliminating themselves from a huge middle class buyer customer base. If that's their strategy, who are we to say anything? Let the sales speak for themselves.

I love the current Innova as I use it regularly for my office trips. From a passenger perspective, almost all my overseas colleagues love the vehicle. The new one would just be out of the bracket of the taxi segment but could be a great 4-5 star hotel vehicle. The reliability aspect and its ability to age gracefully itself is a selling point.

If Renault needs a push, this is it. If they can't win the buyer over this expensive product, they may as well write the Lodgy off.

I neither hate it or love it. For me, it's just one more thing that is not right priced (read: Creta / A3) but people are just throwing money at it.
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The interiors of the top end Innova look brilliant now, the price tag is not impressive but it is not that bad too, no company would price a brilliant performer like Innova to please the masses. I do have a issue with the GX interiors and the price tag, at 18-19L on road, those interiors are totally out of place and look really sad. Toyota could have atleast provided a simple audio unit and some better finished ac knobs. Nice to see that the company worked on interiors and power department, the earlier gen used to cry over 100.

I do not own a Innova but honestly speaking, it really has no competition or alternative, there was no competitor before and there is nothing now as well. It is an all rounder, brilliant comfortable highway cruiser backed by solid Toyota reliability and after sales. 90% of those who buy the Innova for personal use do not even test drive other cars, such is the following and it has been earned by the product, no taking that away from Innova and Toyota.

I do not love japanese cars but when a product is good, it is good, there are tons of Innova's doing 2-3 lakh kms with negligible issues and Indians love no nonsense cars with good service + low cost of ownership.
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I did a quickish test drive of both the Automatic & the manual, both in Zx trim. (At Nandi Toyota, Kudlu Gate, Bangalore)

Both cars drove fairly easily. However, even with the reduced power, I liked the manual better. Found it to be much more smoother & responsive.

The AT seemed to race too much (~ 2000 rpm) before shifting. The shift itself was quite smooth. Now, I am used to automatics in the US and I found this behaviour very irriating. Did any body else notice it? Or does the Crysta require a slightly different throttle modulation? The manual mode on the auto worked very well but was slightly counter intuitive (forward to go up, backward to go down)

The manual, I felt right at home.

There a few niggles (because life is like that!):
- Lack of 8 seater, even as an option in the Zx
- So, I decide 2.4 Manual in Zx. But the leather is all black - a surefire way to cook your rump in South of India, even in 'cool' bangalore!
- The door panels are cloth; Look flimsy. will tear. Will certainly get dirty!
- So, go for an 8 seat in Vx trim: very few safety features: No camera, no navigation, no VSC, ONly 3 airbags. But has ABS/ EBD. NO leather. Will cost just the same as the Vx by the time one does a Stanley interior and adds geegaws!
- Why not go for a 8Seater GX AT: but nothing in the interior. Leather, good ICE, etc will bring it back to Vx territory!

So, I am seriously thinking 2.4 Zx. Let us see what the wife says
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The AT seemed to race too much (~ 2000 rpm) before shifting. The manual mode on the auto worked very well but was slightly counter intuitive (forward to go up, backward to go down)
Thats true, I experienced the same boom before shift, the revvs build up. Its a nuisance compared to modern day smooth autos.
Coming to the manual, I found the gear shifts to be rubbery & require a little extra effort.
Also I wasn't able to drive both manual & auto at high speeds due to traffic, so I want to know how does the engine fare at high speeds on both. Does it get boomy like in the older Innova or have things improved.
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