Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 6th May 2016, 21:51   #496
BHPian
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Alibag
Posts: 97
Thanked: 120 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Sorry if I am off topic But how safe are captain seats in case of an accidents ?
I have seen a few accident vehicles where the rear seat backs are bent forward.
In case of captain seats the seats are held in place by just two locks. Can these locks hold in case where the fixed seats give away.

worst case scenario is the seat tumbling fwd with the passenger in it.

note : mods please delete the thread if i am off topic
architkarpe is offline  
Old 7th May 2016, 02:23   #497
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chennai
Posts: 99
Thanked: 2 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

I think its time for Suzuki to release a bigger version (particularly 3rd row seats+some space for cargo) of Ertiga with 1.6 DDiS. If priced around 12L OTR, it will definitely kill Innova Crysta's sales ambitions. I will book one with eyes closed.

Last edited by ForeRunner : 7th May 2016 at 02:23. Reason: spelling
ForeRunner is offline  
Old 7th May 2016, 02:34   #498
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bengaluru
Posts: 213
Thanked: 160 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post
The AT seemed to race too much (~ 2000 rpm) before shifting. The shift itself was quite smooth. Now, I am used to automatics in the US and I found this behaviour very irriating.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AWD View Post
Thats true, I experienced the same boom before shift, the revvs build up. Its a nuisance compared to modern day smooth autos.
During the test drive, did you check the drive mode (Eco/Power) that was selected? Could this be because the dealership selected the Power mode?
Voyager-1 is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 7th May 2016, 02:43   #499
Senior - BHPian
 
ecenandu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Guruvayoor/Chen
Posts: 1,024
Thanked: 1,476 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Old Vs New

Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016-mg_2552.jpg

Source
ecenandu is offline   (2) Thanks
Old 7th May 2016, 06:02   #500
BHPian
 
sridhu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 740
Thanked: 888 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by AWD View Post
Thats true, I experienced the same boom before shift, the revvs build up. Its a nuisance compared to modern day smooth autos.
Coming to the manual, I found the gear shifts to be rubbery & require a little extra effort.
Also I wasn't able to drive both manual & auto at high speeds due to traffic, so I want to know how does the engine fare at high speeds on both. Does it get boomy like in the older Innova or have things improved.
Glad to hear that it is not only me!

I drive the current Innova - the manual feel was similar. Rubbery. Effort was quite similar, IMO. Man, the shudder! If you hook it up to a cup of milk, turn on the AC, you will get delicious ice cream! (Aside: have people tried Frozen Bites in HSR? They make ice cream from scratch - milk, fruits & frozen nitrogen. Pretty good, I must say!)

Infact, despite the NVH claims, there was distinct, unpleasant vibration in the cabin. IRC, more in the 2.8 than the 2.4.

I did push both up to around 100. Would not say they were very boomy. But then, the current Innova starts wailing only after 100! THe shift of the 2.8 was quite smooth after the first 2-3 gears.

I seriously liked the manual better & I so wanted to buy an automatic!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager-1 View Post
During the test drive, did you check the drive mode (Eco/Power) that was selected? Could this be because the dealership selected the Power mode?
I did try the eco/ power buttons - did not help the boominess. The default seems to be normal. I personally liked the 'power' mode shifting best.

There is a 'eco' light which comes on on the Tach. THe ASS did not know much about it. Is it a 'good boy' light that tells you are driving economically?

Also, found out (contrary to the ASS's claims) the 'leather' in the Zx is touch leather - mix of real & synthetic leather. Could have at least given us proper leather, including on the doors! At that to the niggle list!

So, currently, whatever compromise I make, every model of Innova currently on offer still makes me compromise further.

- 2.8 Zx: no 8 str; shift quality
- 2.4 Zx: no 8 str; black 'leather'; no auto
- 2.4 Vx: reduced safety; no navigation; no 17" wheels
- 2.8 Gx: 8 str; auto; Nothing else! Only 6 lacs cheaper than the 2.8 Zx

Flip flopping between the 2.4 Zx & Vx.

Zx is basically lack of 1 seat & weird interior. But save 2 lacs over the auto.

Vx has got everything but lacks a few safety important features. The 2 lacs saved can easily be put into doing up the interior with nice full leather. But lack of side curtain airbags, VSC how important? It does have ABS, EBD & BA + 3 airbags, though

PS: what does VSC do? Is it the same as traction control?

The music system, the 6 speaker one, was strictly average. Very flat. I am not even an audiophile! The ICE, on the other hand, seemed nICE.

Am I better off buying a top-end XUV500 manual. Has all the gee gaws. Comfortable seats for 5 & I have a Thule to take care of luggage needs.

Any thoughts?

Last edited by Gannu_1 : 8th May 2016 at 17:12. Reason: Removing indirect expletive. Please avoid using them on the forum. Thanks!
sridhu is offline  
Old 7th May 2016, 06:24   #501
Senior - BHPian
 
ecenandu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Guruvayoor/Chen
Posts: 1,024
Thanked: 1,476 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post
Am I better off buying a top-end XUV500 manual. Has all the gee gaws. Comfortable seats for 5 & I have a Thule to take care of luggage needs.
Any thoughts?
If you are okay to face few niggles, then okay. XUV 5OO is a good choice. I will be wary about the electronics, though. My friend's Scorpio VLX cruise control packed up at around 80,000 kilometers. He didn't get it rectified since he didn't use them that much. There was an first gen XUV 5OO in my dad's friend circle, he also face few niggles, but then that was like four years back.

For adventurous drives with a bit of off roading thrown in, then XUV will be a better choice.

It depends Sridhu, if you are a person who wants a fill it, shut it, forget it kinda experience then I believe XUV will not be the right choice.

You can check the ownership threads, even the new one is not niggle free.

Have you checked the possibility of retro fitting the 8 seater configuration in the ZX variant. For Bangalore roads, don't you think an auto will be an sensible choice, but then, it depends on your usage.

Last edited by ecenandu : 7th May 2016 at 06:37.
ecenandu is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 7th May 2016, 06:31   #502
BHPian
 
THE-U-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 221
Thanked: 8 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by romeomidhun View Post
Innova is miles ahead of Xylo in all these departments.
Innova is in a different universe in terms of price. One can buy nearly buy two Xylos for the price of one Innova.

The interior could certainly be made upscale by Mahindra (or by the owner when folks are talking about upgrading the GX) and the suspension set up could be improved. But, each of us have different priorities.

I have seen a large number of taxi Xylos. Traveled in one for 300km about five years ago and on the same ghat road three years ago in an Innova. Sure don't remember one being more uncomfortable than the other. All I remember was that the Xylo was only a few months old and so everything was new. The Innova on the other hand was beat up.

Last edited by Aditya : 9th May 2016 at 07:04. Reason: Typo
THE-U- is offline  
Old 7th May 2016, 06:42   #503
Distinguished - BHPian
 
deetjohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kochi
Posts: 4,045
Thanked: 7,374 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by F150 View Post
The seat cover fitting also seems immaculate, are those dealer fitted or factory fitted ?
Yes, it is dealer fitted. And those seats looked good. But...

Quote:
Originally Posted by AYP View Post
The interiors of the Nippon limited edition look quite good. The interiors no longer look drab. I am pretty sure that many GX variant customers people will atleast go for that interior package. The only major thing missing will be the steering controls.
Those seats aren't enough. There are a lot of differences between VX and GX on the inside and they feel like cars from different segments.

VX gets the following over GX
  1. Better quality plastics on the dash, doors and console and in a darker, richer shade of black.
  2. Better quality fabric for all seats with white stitching, fabric trim on the doors + aluminum finish on the dash & doors which feels quite nice and lift the ambiance of the cabin quite nicely.
  3. Nice ambient lighting and back table for the front seats. Height-adjustable driver seat.
  4. Leather wrap + wood finish on steering wheel along with cruise control* and other controls. Leather wrap for gear lever + Lockable glove box.
  5. 4.2" TFT MID. Better instrument panel + Intermittent wipers with wider time delay.
  6. 7" touchscreen + 6 speakers + navigation* + Bluetooth + voice recognition + Reversing camera.
  7. Keyless entry + push-button start + One-touch power windows for all 4 windows
  8. Automatic climate control for front and rear.

    On the outside
  9. Projectors + Automatic headlamps + LED DRL + Fog lamps

There is a difference of 3L between the MT variants. And if GX well within reach, one should definitely stretch and go for VX. On the other hand, if GX itself is a stretch, then you should also look at the competition really hard before plonking money on the Innova.

You will have to spend a lot more on the inside of the GX to make it closer to VX and you will never get the satisfaction of a factory fit and a more complete car from day 1.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post
So, I am seriously thinking 2.4 Zx.
Makes a lot of sense to me.

Before I saw the cars, I was almost sure AT is the way to go for the Innova. The bigger engine with more power and the 6 speed AT was a no brainer. But after spending time with the variants, and reading through most drive reports, I am becoming more inclined towards the MT. Need to drive them to be clear.

The only thing I am ruing is the fact that there is no 6 speed. Toyota shouldn't have reserved that for the new Fortuner, the Crysta deserves it for those highway trips. And with closer ratios and healthy torque, you wouldn't have missed a AT too in the city.


*Edit:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecenandu View Post
Navigation and cruise control is only available in ZX and is absent in the VX variant.
You may be right. Cannot find a mention of that in the brochure and I don't recall it from yesterday. I picked that detail from here. ACI - variants revealed

Last edited by deetjohn : 7th May 2016 at 07:01. Reason: adding text.
deetjohn is offline  
Old 7th May 2016, 06:50   #504
Senior - BHPian
 
ecenandu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Guruvayoor/Chen
Posts: 1,024
Thanked: 1,476 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by deetjohn View Post
VX gets the following over GX
  1. Leather wrap + wood finish on steering wheel along with cruise control and other controls. Leather wrap for gear lever + Lockable glove box.
  2. 7" touchscreen + 6 speakers + navigation + Bluetooth + voice recognition + Reversing camera.
Navigation and cruise control is only available in ZX and is absent in the VX variant.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deetjohn View Post

Now, sit down and look through your polarized shades for this one - The Nippon 'Chrome Pack' Limited Edition!

The leather was quite nice and the stitching was also very consistent.
Pricing of the same.

Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016-screen-shot-20160507-3.24.08-am.png
Source

Quote:
You may be right. Cannot find a mention of that in the brochure and I don't recall it from yesterday. I picked that detail from here. ACI - variants revealed
Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016-screen-shot-20160507-3.41.37-am.png


Its there in the official brochure.

Last edited by ecenandu : 7th May 2016 at 07:14.
ecenandu is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 7th May 2016, 07:11   #505
BHPian
 
sridhu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 740
Thanked: 888 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecenandu View Post

Have you checked the possibility of retro fitting the 8 seater configuration in the ZX variant.
Asked - they absolutely refused. At this point, I think they are correct to. I was also thinking that when they introduce the 8 seat variant in the Zx and I really want it still, I will pay & get it replaced since the Zx seems to tick all the other boxes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecenandu View Post
For Bangalore roads, don't you think an auto will be an sensible choice, but then, it depends on your usage.
Why do you feel that, ecenandu? I thought given that there is so much start-stop traffic in BLR, an auto is ideal to maintain peace of mind. Are you coming at it from a mileage point of view? I thought the extra power on the 2.8 will make the difference between the AT & MT negligible.

Note: I misread ecenandu's original quote. THought he said "dont think ..." Hence the above comment. Sorry ecenandu.

BTW, the ASS (how apt!) quoted FE figures of about 14.5 for AT & 15.1 for MT. So, nothing to choose there even if real world numbers are closer to 12 & 13.

Another point which I forgot to mention: the internal size did not look too different from the current innova. I think I can guess where the difference of 28 cm (HUGE!!) comes from. I think in the old car the internal length was measured from the footwell to the back door and in the new one from the dash to the back door. Can somebody who goes for a TD next validate that?

Also a suggestion: since the t-bhp review of the crysta has (still! hint ... hint!) not come, can we list out the questions that we need answers for from the t-bhp reviewers? Easy for all concerned and while I am sure that t-bhp review will be excellent as usual, it might help the reviewers know the kind of questions they will be asked

For starters, my questions:

- Space
- Does the current Innova Thule fit directly or does it need a new foot?
- Mileage: 2.8 & 2.4
- NVH?
- Booming of the auto before shifting - my imagination or real? Does it require a learning curve to modulate the throttle?
- Accuracy of the reverse camera
- How good is the phone mirroring
- Rear camera?

Last edited by sridhu : 7th May 2016 at 07:25.
sridhu is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 7th May 2016, 07:21   #506
Senior - BHPian
 
ecenandu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Guruvayoor/Chen
Posts: 1,024
Thanked: 1,476 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post

Why do you feel that, ecenandu? I thought given that there is so much start-stop traffic in BLR, an auto is ideal to maintain peace of mind. Are you coming at it from a mileage point of view? I thought the extra power on the 2.8 will make the difference between the AT & MT negligible.
Yeah, with so much of stop and go traffic, an automatic will be the ideal choice, given you drive a lot in the city.
ecenandu is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 7th May 2016, 08:10   #507
AWD
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Drivers seat
Posts: 804
Thanked: 218 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager-1 View Post
did you check the drive mode (Eco/Power) that was selected?
I tried it on all the modes, result was almost the same, the revvs build up for the first few gear changes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post
I drive the current Innova - the manual feel was similar. Rubbery. Effort was quite similar, IMO. Man, the shudder! If you hook it up to a cup of milk, turn on the AC, you will get delicious ice cream!

I did push both up to around 100. Would not say they were very boomy. But then, the current Innova starts wailing only after 100! THe shift of the 2.8 was quite smooth after the first 2-3 gears.
Ive also driven the old Innova but felt this ones manual is a shade more rubbery. Could be due to the fact that the TD vehicle was new, would smoothen a bit after some usage. Can't stop laughing on that Ice cream recipe!lolz


Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post
thinking that when they introduce the 8 seat variant in the Zx and I really want it still, I will pay & get it replaced since the Zx seems to tick all the other boxes.
How many people do you have to seat in the vehicle ? I mean is number of occupants the only consideration for choosing 8 over 7 or is the 8 more comfier than 7.

Also which color are you finalising?
AWD is offline  
Old 7th May 2016, 08:23   #508
BHPian
 
sridhu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 740
Thanked: 888 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by AWD View Post

How many people do you have to seat in the vehicle ? I mean is number of occupants the only consideration for choosing 8 over 7 or is the 8 more comfier than 7.

Also which color are you finalising?
Really speaking, I have only 5 regulars. Six including the driver. The problem is that SOMEONE has to always sit in the last row. With an 8 seater, that is not the case. In the 8 seater, my mum (80+ years) can sit sideways and stretch her feet. Hence the requirement for the 8 seater.

Also, I guess we are used to it.

My friend, I am a married man ... I dont get to choose colour etc. I only get to solve major world problems like what we should do in PoK.

I have humbly suggested the red. So, I guess we will be buying the silver or bronze.

Quote:
Originally Posted by karpusv View Post
Are you sure?
AFAIK from the dealer visit, the Vx on display had a Back Camera integrated in in the back door. Even the brochure mentions it.
Even though the safety kit was lesser compared to the Zx, that was one of the things we were keen on, considering the size of the vehicle.
Now that you bring it up, no, I am not sure!

Thought it only had the sensors & no camera. If you confirm otherwise, happy to be corrected.

Last edited by sridhu : 7th May 2016 at 08:26.
sridhu is offline   (2) Thanks
Old 7th May 2016, 08:23   #509
BHPian
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: BLR / NGO
Posts: 285
Thanked: 163 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post
There a few niggles (because life is like that!):
<SNIP>
- So, go for an 8 seat in Vx trim: very few safety features: No camera, no navigation...
...
Are you sure?
AFAIK from the dealer visit, the Vx on display had a Back Camera integrated in in the back door. Even the brochure mentions it.
Even though the safety kit was lesser compared to the Zx, that was one of the things we were keen on, considering the size of the vehicle.
karpusv is offline  
Old 7th May 2016, 09:55   #510
AWD
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Drivers seat
Posts: 804
Thanked: 218 Times
Default Re: Toyota Innova Crysta @ Auto Expo 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by sridhu View Post
The problem is that SOMEONE has to always sit in the last row. In the 8 seater, my mum (80+ years) can sit sideways and stretch her feet. Hence the requirement for the 8 seater.
we will be buying the silver or bronze.
Got your point. But otherwise if 2 adults were to sit on the rear seat, which is comfier, Captain seats or the bench ?

Regarding the color, I thought Bronze would be like the Golden in the old Innova but on seeing the shade, it turned out on the darker side. Guess its proper mud color.

Im actually trying to choose the right model (GX,ZX, etc), color (Silver, Bronze), 7 or 8 seater & finally Manual or Auto. Its turning harder than I thought ! I liked ZX Auto the most but don't see myself spending ~23L on an Innova. Otherwise I would have bought the ZX for sure & end the confusion.

Btw the local agency says that the base manual model won't be coming, its just for academic purposes. Is it right ? The 13.84L exshowroom one.

Last edited by Aditya : 9th May 2016 at 07:04.
AWD is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Mega Auto Expo 2016 Thread: General Discussion, Live Feed & Pics Aditya The Indian Car Scene 281 25th January 2017 13:17
Rumour: Nissan to launch new X-Trail. EDIT: Launch postponed to 2016 Auto Expo Aditya The Indian Car Scene 27 5th April 2016 23:21
The 2016 Auto Expo Meetup Thread bluevolt The Team-BHP Meet Section 80 7th February 2016 14:59
5-9 February: 2016 Delhi auto expo dates revealed Tushar The Indian Car Scene 1 16th February 2015 11:17
Wheelosphere at The Hindu Chennai Auto Expo The Hindu Chennai Auto Expo 2010 udayjani The Indian Car Scene 3 10th October 2010 16:54


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 12:19.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks