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Old 26th October 2016, 09:18   #1396
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Here is the Aria picture for reference from TBHP official review. Hexa should be more or less same, and it looks fine.

Hexa 6 seater version seats look awesome. Somehow whatever pictures I have seen 7 seater version seat cover fit, finish, and stitching looks very average for a factory fitted version.
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Old 26th October 2016, 10:53   #1397
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Since there are reports that the Aria would continue to be sold I wonder if Hexa XE will be offered to yellow board buyers. Rather that space can be occupied by the Aria. Also I wonder what's going to be the use of the 1.99L engine now ? Will they plonk it in Aria, Storme?
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Old 26th October 2016, 12:35   #1398
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Could not help sharing on this thread, but are we getting hints from our moderators too?

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...the Tiago was even better and the Hexa is a knockout.
Trying too hard to read between the lines, but why not?
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If you have the bandwidth to maintain it - go ahead, if you want normal service of a regular car, consider a Hexa (but tata service is an unknown!)
I just had the same thought when I read the quoted post in the morning. I am anxiously waiting for the review. Though I am not a potential customer yet, I am have been a Tata fan since the Safari days. I have always admired the comfort of an Indica/Indigo and the Sumo. Hope they have a winner and a commercial success, just like the Tiago.
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Old 26th October 2016, 15:30   #1400
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Has the Innova crysta finally got some competition, look at the performance figures from the November issue of Autocar India.

Tata Hexa AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 7.68sec
40-100kph 4th gear 10.44sec
0-100kph 12.71sec

Innova Crysta AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 6.7sec
40-100kph 4th gear 8.84sec
0-100kph 11.46sec

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Has the Innova crysta finally got some competition, look at the performance figures from the November issue of Autocar India.
I very much doubt that pure performance is going to matter for this category. It will mostly be decided over the plushness of 2nd row and the refinement of the cabin. That being said, the elephant in the room is price for their sake I hope they price it right. Slightly below XUV would be a good place to start!
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Has the Innova crysta finally got some competition, look at the performance figures from the November issue of Autocar India.

Tata Hexa AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 7.68sec
40-100kph 4th gear 10.44sec
0-100kph 12.71sec

Innova Crysta AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 6.7sec
40-100kph 4th gear 8.84sec
0-100kph 11.46sec
For a minute I thought the prices are out!

Performance figures are hardly going to make any influence on the decision making for majority of the lot.
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One wonders how much weight they might be able to shed in the next-generation of the Hexa.

Considering that I'll be keeping my present car for the next 4-5 years at the very least, around which time I'd be in the market to buy only this car, the beautiful Tata Hexa.
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Has the Innova crysta finally got some competition, look at the performance figures from the November issue of Autocar India.

Tata Hexa AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 7.68sec
40-100kph 4th gear 10.44sec
0-100kph 12.71sec

Innova Crysta AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 6.7sec
40-100kph 4th gear 8.84sec
0-100kph 11.46sec
This is probably done in 'manual mode'. Usually 20 - 80 kmph in 3rd gear and 40 - 100 kmph in 4th gear tests are done for MTs.

Because, in an automatic, when you suddenly step on the accelerator, it will first downshift and then as the speed rises, it will upshift to a higher gear. You can't get a "20 to 80 kmph in 3rd gear" acceleration number in automatic mode.
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This is probably done in 'manual mode'. Usually 20 - 80 kmph in 3rd gear and 40 - 100 kmph in 4th gear tests are done for MTs.

Because, in an automatic, when you suddenly step on the accelerator, it will first downshift and then as the speed rises, it will upshift to a higher gear. You can't get a "20 to 80 kmph in 3rd gear" acceleration number in automatic mode.
But you could hold the gear and time it right? In the Crysta the 'S' mode holds the gear, so I can reach an indicated speed and keep gear in 'S'. It's debatable still, but 20-80 'might' be possible in second gear in both?
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This is probably done in 'manual mode'. Usually 20 - 80 kmph in 3rd gear and 40 - 100 kmph in 4th gear tests are done for MTs.

Because, in an automatic, when you suddenly step on the accelerator, it will first downshift and then as the speed rises, it will upshift to a higher gear. You can't get a "20 to 80 kmph in 3rd gear" acceleration number in automatic mode.
What Autocar guys do is the simply floor the accelerator when the transmission is in the "gear" they are trying to measure. This causes the transmission to downshift to whatever gear it seems appropriate and the speed increases. That is why they call it "kickdown" mode.

This is actually misleading especially when they publish it side to side with manual gear data. The data they publish for the manual gear is the actual in gear acceleration. If you look at road tests data autocar publishes, many times the in gear acceleration for AT will be much lesser than the MT for the same vehicle engine combination. But then when you look at 0-100 time for most cases MT is faster. This is because for AT it is not really in gear acceleration and not an apples to apples comparison with an MT.
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But you could hold the gear and time it right? In the Crysta the 'S' mode holds the gear, so I can reach an indicated speed and keep gear in 'S'. It's debatable still, but 20-80 'might' be possible in second gear in both?
If they have done something like that, then it would be a first. Magazines do 2 types of acceleration tests done for automatics -

1) The 0 to 100 kmph acceleration test
2) Kickdown mode acceleration test (30 to 80 kmph, and 40 to 100 kmph) to simulate overtaking and see how quickly the transmission changes gears.

How it's done is - you reach 30 kmph and cruise at this speed for sometime. This will make the transmission choose the highest gear (for fuel economy). Then you step on the accelerator (hence called kickdown) and time the vehicle till it hits 80 kmph. A smart transmission will go down 2 or 3 gears to achieve best acceleration figures. So this is a test for both engine power and transmission.

Similar test is done for 40 to 100 kmph too.
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Performance figures are hardly going to make any influence on the decision making for majority of the lot.
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I very much doubt that pure performance is going to matter for this category.
Until, numbers came in there was a lot of hue and cry on how the excess weight will impact performance, impact mileage, cause wear-and-tear of suspension and tires etc. At least the first two seem to have been taken care of.

Performance seems comparable with XUV (for the Auto version at least), ARAI mileage ratings seem much better 17.1 kmpl (for Auto version again, as read in an earlier post, do not know the source) vs 13.85 kmpl for the XUV Auto (source: Team-BHP review).

After so much hue-and-cry on the weight (completely justified) and the seat folding angle (seemed like such a trivial thingy), wondering what will be the next bone of contention.
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Has the Innova crysta finally got some competition, look at the performance figures from the November issue of Autocar India.

Tata Hexa AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 7.68sec
40-100kph 4th gear 10.44sec
0-100kph 12.71sec

Innova Crysta AT
20-80kph 3rd gear 6.7sec
40-100kph 4th gear 8.84sec
0-100kph 11.46sec
Numbers are respective for a 2.3 ton MUV. There is no denying the fact that weight savings on Innova is certainly helping the performance.

TATA needs to go on diet at least on the vehicles they intend to launch in the future.
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After so much hue-and-cry on the weight (completely justified) and the seat folding angle (seemed like such a trivial thingy), wondering what will be the next bone of contention.
Let me guess - the headlight throw of the HEXA covers 1 degree less than the XUV's.

Love the looks of the Hexa. Cant wait to see it in flesh and take a test drive though it will be a while before I look to buy a car in this segment. Checked out the Tiago before the Grand i10 and was very impressed with the quality. Went with the Grand just because I needed the auto box for the wife. Hope Tata keeps the improvements going.
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