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Old 4th November 2016, 14:44   #226
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How's this for a comparison?
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Well, I'm not so sure whether this is well played or a hit-wicket

FYI, these are the Polo's modest sales (all variants, not just GTs) for the last 6 months:
1906, 2480, 2977, 1047, 1083, 1465

How does the introduction of GTI at an astronomical price, automatically imply that people are now going to switch to GT TSI in droves? VW is no Maruti or Hyundai - the mass market has different requirements, and the enthusiasts have other options anyway. If what you say comes true, then we should see a huge jump in the above numbers!
I stand corrected. Introducing GTi is not going to push the sales per say, that's not what I meant. What is mean is that the reactions (like posted by DrivingNirvana and few others) that followed after hearing the GTi price clearly shows that enthusiasts will definitely start considering GT TSi as a better alternative. Anyways as you mentioned VW sales figures are no comparison to say Maruti Suzuki or the Hyundai sales.


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A true enthusiast's dream from Volkswagen. But it is priced insanely. Respected fellow members have opined rightly that the Polo GT TSI looks value for money now.

I am happy with my Polo GT TSI. On a budget, it is enough to satisfy the occasional adrenaline rush which I require.

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GTI looks neat and promising for the enthusiasts however, I am not sure with the 2 door concept, how comfortable it will be for our parents to ingress/egress. Finally for a 1.8L hatch this price seems steep, Merc A-class can be a better option if buyers can stretch just a bit further on their budget.
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GTI looks neat and promising for the enthusiasts however, I am not sure with the 2 door concept, how comfortable it will be for our parents to ingress/egress. Finally for a 1.8L hatch this price seems steep, Merc A-class can be a better option if buyers can stretch just a bit further on their budget.
I agree its steep, but none of the comparable models have the tweaked suspensions and most importantly, the LSD. This would make a world of difference on the twisties or the track.
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I agree its steep, but none of the comparable models have the tweaked suspensions and most importantly, the LSD. This would make a world of difference on the twisties or the track.
It's an electronic differential called XDS that uses the ABS system to brake the inner wheel when cornering. This exists in the GT TSI as well. However it is understeer prone due to a soft suspension in the GT. I am sure it will be better in the GTI

What I do know is that my v40 which is comparable in pricing has the same system and it works far better than the VW system and the car has zero understeer - in fact I have never managed to generate understeer in it no matter what the speed.

So other than an amazing PWTR, there is little else going for this car at that price.
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Received WA forward on Chennai pricing for VW GTI @32.5L onroad. My eyes literally popped out
It will definitely cross 33L onroad in namma Bengaluru. Happy revving
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If any one is mad enough to spend that much on a Polo GTI, and if VW intended to sell only 99 units just as a halo product, why did they not bring the Golf GTI or R line models or the Scirocco! There would have been a lil more crazier 99 guys in the sub continent for that too no matter what the pricing. Would have created a better halo effect and a bigger brand image. Why being stingy!
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My Post of 2nd August 2015:

"The GTI will be only a halo car.

Definition of halo car:

An automobile that is launched merely to draw attention to the brand.... ... ...
So who's going to even notice? There won't even be one of these cars in a showroom in major cities, and 99, on the road, is invisible.

I'd bet at least Rs.5 that the vast majority of us on this thread are already VW/VAG owners or fanciers. I don't think anybody else gives a damn.

To all intents and purposes, unless or until this car is mass-marketed in India, it just doesn't exist here. Forgotten, except by those who buy it and a handful of others: that is how much "halo" value this car has.

But hey, it's sort of cute to see a limited edition actually being a limited edition!
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So who's going to even notice? There won't even be one of these cars in a showroom in major cities, and 99, on the road, is invisible.

I'd bet at least Rs.5 that the vast majority of us on this thread are already VW/VAG owners or fanciers. I don't think anybody else gives a damn.

To all intents and purposes, unless or until this car is mass-marketed in India, it just doesn't exist here. Forgotten, except by those who buy it and a handful of others: that is how much "halo" value this car has.

But hey, it's sort of cute to see a limited edition actually being a limited edition!
Sometimes when you're driving down back alley roads you might find a stray dog running after your car and barking. When that happens you don't stop the car and bark back at it but carry on.

In this case, VW would do the same too, as their strategy might or might not be a success but since they've started going down a road, they would complete that journey regardless of criticisms / pitfalls / failures they might face and certainly aren't going to change their mind about pricing or the numbers that they want to sell at this point in time.

A halo car isn't a circular car behind one's head for everyone to see. It would be seen, (if at all) in less than 10% of showrooms if it has to meet its objective of being a halo car. The others would have to scroll through this thread or fantasise on what they didn't see and satisfy themselves with a wannabe GTI. (the GT).

It's going to be a long time before VW takes India seriously. So, in the meantime, we'll have to fool ourselves into thinking limited editions are cute while in actual fact it is the grapes that are sour.

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ok, so it might be a completely deserted road, but setting the above photo on that bend makes me wince. It just hurts!

Although, come to think of it, it reminds me of how people I knew in UK used to park their daddy's-21st-birthday presents.not so much parking, as stopping and getting out.

We might have said... How to spot a bad driver? Look for a youngster in a soft-top GTI.
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VW GTI - The first review as driven on Indian roads,


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The mot important statement, for me, from the same review:

"though I did feel the car unsettle a bit when driven over bad roads at a faster pace."


This is a big problem IMO, and after driving the GT TSI over 30000km, I think this is a played down version of reality.
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Oh. I just had an idea...

The launch is just 99 cars. This time round. Come March or September, the next edition becomes available, unlimited.

Would they do that? And if so why? Or if not, why not?
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Would they do that? And if so why? Or if not, why not?
Certainly they could, and its a legit business/sales strategy - gauge the demand on this high-margins, imported product.. if its sold very fast, then import the next round of limited edition of 99 or so with a slight tweak after a few months. This of course depends on whether they are doing this for profits in the first place (which seems unlikely) or if its just a muscle-flexing contest, a kind of subtle marketing strategy to position themselves as a sport car manufacturer and then promote the TSi and TDi twins.

Personally, I'd not go anywhere close to this car at the current price. This price opens up the possibility for a legendary brand that has a real heritage of making purely fun-to-drive cars > Mini Cooper, at just about Rs.10 lakhs more (before discounts of 2-3 lakh if one negotiates). For that one gets :

- A more expensive GETRAG gearbox compared to VW made DSG.
- Best in class interiors, better than BMW in many respects.
- Best in class steering (I've driven both, Polo doesn't come close).
- Much better handling > Its a very heavy car but when driving its deceptively nimble and feels light as a feather.
- Better snob appeal, Mini is a brand that is positioned much higher.
- Better resale, I've seen a few selling quickly at half prices which isn't too bad for a 2-3 year old car.

I wont comment on the power delivery of either cars as India isn't a country meant for it, but suffice to say the surge in a Mini is enjoyable even at low speeds and its a far bigger/wider car than it looks.
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This price opens up the possibility for a legendary brand that has a real heritage of making purely fun-to-drive cars > Mini Cooper ...
Mini is not real heritage. It is just a name, cut off from its actual history.

However, that's no argument with what you say about the car itself, as I'm sure the BMW Mini stands up for itself in its own right.

Where does the Fiat 500 stand in this scenario of small "sort-of-affordable" high[er]-power cars?
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