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Old 26th May 2017, 08:30   #271
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Default Re: Volkswagen imports the Tiguan. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 27 - 31 lakhs

Tiguan drive reviews trickle in,

Verdict: Expensive but will appeal to a section of the people.
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The Tiguan looks like a perfect city run about SUV, feature packed, good quality in and out, decent engine and gearbox combo, albeit a bit overpriced, but so is every other vehicle in the market.

We shouldn't be comparing it to the Fortuner or the Endeavour, because a Tiguan customer and a Fortuner/Endeavour customer are two completely different people.

Also, for people comparing it to the X1, the XLine XDrive variant has been discontinued, that means the cheapest AWD option, the M Sport variant, priced at 53 Lakh OTR Pune is a significant 15 Lakh Rupees more expensive than the VW Tiguan. Also BMW isn't offering big discounts on the X1 right now since it is selling well.
The Q3 feels dated now and the GLA, well its not a segment benchmark by any means!

And, not sure if anyone has pointed out or not, according to VW Australia GC for the Tiguan with a 7 speed DSG is 201 MM, and there is no way VW would lower it for india that too by 52 MM, that makes 149 MM, a number to keep the authorities happy for some benefit or to fulfill some niyam kanun!
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A good car nonetheless but killed by absurd pricing. If VW plan to position their products as alternatives to the Big 3 they are in for a not-so-good-kind-of-surprise. A comparative pricing on par with Tucson would have made it a good proposition, but almost 38-40L OTR is stretching their imagination a tad too much. Let's wait and see where the Kodiaq will be placed.
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Old 26th May 2017, 12:12   #274
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Default Q3 quattro vs Tiguan 4motion vs Yeti 4x4 -- The same Haldex system

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Yes, it makes total sense if one is inclined to pick the Q3 front wheel drive. But the Quattro with more power in its stock form and a better transmission is not that easy to ignore.

How much different will the Torsen in the Quattro feel to the Haldex in 4Motion while driving? I am not asking about their performance off-road.
And there lies the catch. Q3 doesn't have any Torsen setup. As like other VAG cars with a transverse engine and drive primarily intended to the front axles, the Q3 Quattro also uses a Haldex system, 5th gen to be precise. This is the same system that came in the face-lifted Yeti. Q3 Quattro, at the time time of its launch however had the highly capable 7-speed wet clutch DQ500 DSG, which the Yeti never got.

Now the Tiguan Mk2 has the same DQ500 DSG and identical 5th-gen Haldex AWD hardware as that of the Q3 quattro. Most likely the electronics and algorithms might be a bit more clever in the Tiguan Mk2 as it is a newer car end of day. So in effect unless one is so peculiar about getting a FWD only car or having the 1.4TFSI engine, I still don't see why they should pick a Q3 over the Tiguan. When it comes to Quattro variant, Q3 commands a 10 lakh premium that is hard to justify. 40PS more is just a remap away On the flipside, Tiguan is more spacious and a newer platform.

When it comes to transverse front engine cars in VAG: 4x4 (Skoda), 4motion (VW), Quattro (Audi), 4drive (Seat) are all the same -- Haldex systems.

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But say for highway runs in Kerala especially during the monsoon. Which one will be more fun? Which one would be more assured and faster? Is it a slam-dunk for the Quattro? PS: I guess you are well placed to answer this question with that monster 3.6 FSI 4x4 in the garage.
Our Superb has 4th-gen Haldex system. Regular driving, it is FWD only effectively. Hard accelerations, going around corners fast, wet roads etc you do feel the power shift to the rear. It is imperceptible to be honest, and one realizes the difference only when driving a FWD car with the 3.6 back-to-back, in our case the Laura 1.8 TSI. I would say that with the right set of tyres, the system provides lots of fun and puts down all the available torque/power effectively (no fighting for traction, no torque steer etc); much much better than the FWD cars. It is quite tough to find the limits of the Haldex system on public roads and regular driving. If it was a turbo engine, the drive-train layout is perfect for bumping power. Recently drove a 2002 Octavia Mk1 1.8TPI 4x4 here, the chassis is so much more capable than the FWD only Octy vRS of the time

I haven't driven the 3.6 back-to-back with the likes of an Audi S4 or A6 quattro etc. I would imagine that for regular driving on public roads, Torsen setup is unlikely to provide any perceivable benefits over the Haldex one. But when pushed, the Torsen setup should fare better, as it can translate more power to the rear than Haldex. They incorporate a proper center differential (Haldex fully engaged is like a locked center diff, and otherwise like a slipping clutch pack) and is a permanent AWD setup unlike the Haldex systems.

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Guys, can anyone clarify if this has manually selectable 4WD mode or some intelligence doing the work of distributing power as per its whims?

My Previous pessimistic post aside, I am only dreaming when I'll be able to TD this car.. I dont know what it is, but the Tucson is just not that erotic.. This is like automobile porn to me..

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Guys, can anyone clarify if this has manually selectable 4WD mode or some intelligence doing the work of distributing power as per its whims?
It does have off-road modes, which you could consider as manually selectable. Basically just clever electronics/algorithms optimising throttle response, engine/transmission maps and haldex controller, for optimising traction under different conditions. But being a Haldex system, it doesn't let you lock the power/torque split between front and rear axles nor let you run the car in 4WD/AWD permanently.

So overall an improvement over the system used in Yeti 4x4 and Q3 Quattro, but not comparable to the likes of Ford Endeavour.


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The Tiguan looks like a perfect city run about SUV, feature packed, good quality in and out, decent engine and gearbox combo, albeit a bit overpriced, but so is every other vehicle in the market.
With a turning radius of 5.75m, it isn't going to be perfectly city friendly IMHO. I believe it's turning radius is close to Fortuner/Endeavour - isn't it?
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First impressions from an impulsive walk-in test drive yesterday. I currently have a Jetta Highline TDI AT. As soon as I stepped in the Tiguan Highline, it felt like an upgraded version of the Jetta, rather than a really new car. Some observations:
- It does not feel underpowered. It might be heavier than the Jetta with the same engine tune, but still feels very responsive. In fact the Jetta has a slight lag, which I didnít notice in the Tiguan.
- Space is an unquestionable plus. I am 6ft plus, and the elbow room, head room and leg room were good in the front and the back. Its shorter than the Jetta overall, but really feels more spacious inside.
- Driving dynamics are more like a car rather than a ladder-on-frame SUV. I personally liked it. The Fortuner/ Endeavour and the Tiguan are not for the same buyer in my opinion. These are completely different segments.
- Some gizmos that I didnít know about earlier - the rear view camera has many views, including a simulated top diagram (not exactly a top camera view), parallel park view which highlights adjacent objects and a few more. The Off-road individual mode on the 4Motion dial can take you to a few customization options which can change Steering, Driving etc. to Sport or Normal mode
- The back seats are very comfortable, the adjustable recline is nice, and I can think of a few uses for the airline like seat back trays
- The switches are good quality, but the surface materials donít leave a great impression. More hard plastics than I expected. The Jetta has more soft touch materials. The Vienna Leather isnt all that impressive either. Not sure whether I like it more or less than the Jetta leatherette.
- The whole boot lid gimmick is pretty seamless and nice. So are the handles in the boot which fold the rear seats.
- The infotainment system seems sophisticated, though I would have loved the Active Info Display and navigation. Didnt hear music audio quality, though I did receive a call when I was driving and my phone was connected, and the conversation was seamless. I was told that the screen sizes on Comfortline and Highline are different (6,8 respectively). Is that possible?
- The inside rear view mirror seemed to have pretty much no bezel. Nice!

Overall, except the materials, including the leatherette, which are a bit underwhelming, I really liked the car. Now that I am considering this price point, will also drive the X1 xline and Santa Fe. GLA and Q3 are out for now.

Meanwhile, saw this article as well from the UK. May be paid placement, but still good for information purposes for the choices I am making.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/audi-q...uan-bmw-x1-581

Taking my family along for another test drive today. Will report back if I have any further observations. No sense in buying before GST, though.
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The Tiguan SE with some options to make it similar to the variants on offer in India works out to around 29k GBP, which is approximately 24L INR. Like the refreshed Yeti, VW is following a model placement of the Tiguan only in high spec albeit in this case with a single engine option and two variants instead of a single variant with two engine/drivetrain options. Therefore, I think expectations of lower pricing were unrealistic.

Another observation is that Skoda is moving further up market while VW seems to be offering the more mainstream, affordable cars in India. Odd, and completely opposite to their global placement.

The prices are quite acceptable if the standard features are considered and while I cannot afford a car in that price range, that doesn't mean the car is extremely overpriced. I wish the engine was more powerful, but all things considered the one on offer will be more than adequate. Anything more is just numbers that cannot be enjoyed legally on Indian roads.

OT: Skoda seems to have removed the Yeti from their offerings in India - is the Yeti is gone for good?

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The Tiguan SE with some options to make it similar to the variants on offer in India works out to around 29k GBP, which is approximately 24L INR. Like

. Therefore, I think expectations of lower pricing were unrealistic.

Another observation is that Skoda is moving further up market while VW seems to be offering the more mainstream, affordable cars in

ptable if the standard features are considered and while I cannot afford a car in that price range, that doesn't mean the car is extremely overpriced.

OT: Skoda seems to have removed the Yeti from their offerings in India - is the Yeti is gone for good?

I agree.
As long as the Tiguan pricing in India is the same as or at least nearabouts their UK and Australia pricing then it is a fair deal for us Indians.
This factor indeed was the tipping point that made me buy the Yeti.
Yes indeed it does seem that Skoda is moving upmarket here with their pricing and VW is sitting about in slightly higher territory.
Im sad if the Yeti is buzzing off but with the advent of the Karoq I guess that was inevitable.
However, I do hope that the Skoda boys can get us the requisite spares and things as may be needed from time to time.
I intend to continue going only to the Authorised centres for servicing. Not for me the 'Independent Garage' notwithstanding potential savings...
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The. Therefore, I think expectations of lower pricing were unrealistic.
Was precisely my observation also. I wasn't particularly shocked by the pricing of the Tiguan, considering how the Superb is priced in India. My grouse is only with VW not offering the same state of tune as that of the Superb 2.0TDI in India, but sticking with Octavia's 143PS tune instead.

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However, I do hope that the Skoda boys can get us the requisite spares and things as may be needed from time to time.
I intend to continue going only to the Authorised centres for servicing. Not for me the 'Independent Garage' notwithstanding potential savings...
Spares wouldn't be a problem honestly. There is significant sharing of mechanicals and electronics between VAG cars, and periodic service will never be affected. To give an idea, the rare 3.6FSI engine in India shares same basic fluid and filters as that of 1.8TSI. Yeti shares even more with the likes of Jetta/Laura/Superb (mk2) / Q3 etc. Delay in obtaining spares for a discontinued model would be primarily only for body panels and parts (in case of accident reparis).
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Test drove the X1 and Tiguan (again) back to back today with family. I'm considering the X1 xLine and the Tiguan Highline, probably a price difference of around 6 lakhs after discounts.

First the X1 - I was pleasantly surprised by the size inside. Headroom felt lesser than the Tiguan. Legroom and elbowroom seemed closely matched. Even though equipment is lesser, everything in the interior is just that much higher quality. The buttons, switches, materials etc. The driving experience is distinctly better. More power on tap, very responsive engine and steering, practically no body roll. Handles very much like a good sedan. The boot is smaller than the Tiguan, and the lack of a button for boot closure was a bit surprising. (Was told even the X3 doesnít have it, really?). The Infotainment system is decent but pretty basic for this segment. Back seat can recline but less than the Tiguan. Wife liked the car more overall, but felt that it wasnít really "us".

I've written about the Tiguan above - Slightly larger inside. Better equipped for sure. The infotainment system is a step up in my opinion. Had the opportunity to try Android Auto and Navigation this time. Works very nicely with my HTC. The driving experience is definitely a step down from the X1. Not bad in itself (its not like I need the power the X1 has) but the difference is obvious. This time I noticed that the materials/ fit and finish in the front is pretty good, itís the rear seat thatís the problem. My memory was from having sat in the back at the end of the drive yesterday.

Itís a tough one, not helped by the fact that we didnít fall in love with either one. The X1 felt like it was missing equipment, is substantially more expensive, and we have an "anti-bling" bias. The Tiguan could have been more involving, fit and finish in the back could have been better, and is not great VFM either. On to a Santa Fe test drive tomorrow, but not very optimistic.
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And, not sure if anyone has pointed out or not, according to VW Australia GC for the Tiguan with a 7 speed DSG is 201 MM, and there is no way VW would lower it for india that too by 52 MM, that makes 149 MM, a number to keep the authorities happy for some benefit or to fulfill some niyam kanun!
I guess the following post should clarify the ground clearance doubt raised above. 201 mm might be unladen GC if swaroopanand_86's statement is correct.

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The GC of 150mm is based on the new certification of ARAI which requires the car to be fully loaded with 5 passengers and full tank of fuel.
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@ Aurum- Do shop around for discounts on the X1 as well as the new price drop, with those two factors the difference should not be 6 Lakhs compared to the Tiguan.
Also IMO, the x1 isn't "bling" in a city like Mumbai where luxury German sedans are now very common. The x1 is "bling" because of its badge compared to the VW but overall it is not an in your face flashy car by any means on Mumbai roads.hence I don't think this bling factor should be a deal breaker, pick the car you genuinely feel better suits you irrespective of its badge to make the right decision.

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