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Old 26th October 2016, 07:33   #16
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Is this really sub -4m?
I wish 'no', but the design elements may also make you think like that. Hood and roof seems to be shorter than those of the current one, and rear windsreen is thus more 'sloppy'.

Imo, maruti should make it as a 4.2m long sedan.

If it's really +4m, Maruti might be thinking of making use of the hybrid tax exemption or the new GST rules to keep the prices low.

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Imo, maruti should make it as a 4.2m long sedan.
A prediction long time back(2013) - A sedan below the YL1 (Ciaz) @ 4.2 m length ?

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A prediction long time back(2013) - A sedan below the YL1 (Ciaz) @ 4.2 m length ?

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Could this mean that Suzuki might put this in their regular showroom and move the Ciaz over to Nexa?
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Rumour: Next-gen Maruti DZire to launch ahead of Swift

Maruti Suzuki is reportedly planning to launch the next generation DZire compact sedan in India, before bringing in the new Swift. This strategy is a departure from the automaker's earlier track record, as the Swift hatchback has always received an update prior to its sedan sibling.

This decision has likely been taken after studying current market trends. The Swift is currently showing a downward trend in its monthly sales. However, the main reason behind this dropping sales graph is the cannibalization of the Swift by its bigger sibling, the Baleno.

However, the compact sedan segment is getting competitive with every new launch. Volkswagen recently introduced the Ameo, Honda has updated the Amaze with better interiors, Hyundai has a facelift of the Xcent in the pipeline, while Tata will soon be introducing a new sub-segment with the upcoming Kite5. These new launches might take a share of customers away from the DZire, which is currently the segment leader. Moreover, since DZire is the company's only offering in the compact sedan space, it has a lot more importance than the Swift, which is surrounded at both ends by other Marutis.

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It makes sense to introduce Dzire first.
A definite departure from the existing strategy of introducing the hatch before the sedan version.

However if we look at Ford - Aspire before Figo
Tata - Zest before Bolt

So it isn't a new strategy.

Plus by the time swift will be unveiled at the Geneva Motor show - It'll be time for Maruti to introduce the Dzire

Logic

Ignis to be introduced in Q1 so they cannot have 2 new model launches in such short span of time. Hence Q2~Q3: Right time to introduce Dzire ( Will keep large gap in introducing Swift to avoid Dzire demand and long waiting period)

Also if they introduce the new swift before Dzire then it will cannibalize the sales of the Baleno ( which will start showing age wrt. next gen Swift)
Thereby affecting the Nexa dealers and Maruti sales.

While if Maruti pushes Swift FMC launch to Q3 ~ Q4, they will have already completed 2 years of Baleno (launched in October 2015)

Not to forget the Baleno RS & Brezza PL which too shall get inducted in the portfolio.

So overall Maruti has a well planned 2017

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Is this really sub -4m?

The car looks and feels really long. The front on shot with Baleno shows its as tall and wide, but the length of the boot is way more proportional as compared to the current DZire.
We can't be confident enough to say that it is going to be more than 4-metre or sub-4m but few indications I've noticed in pics attached to the following post are:

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Swift Dzire Spied with DRLís, seen on test near Manesar plant in Haryana.

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1) See the rear shots carefully, do notice the position of Rear Parking sensors & visible bumper lines, there's atleast 2-inch space which seems to be filled with thermocol/foam blocks to hide true bumper lines. So actual bumper length is atleast 2-inches shorter than it appears in the pics(in both rear & side shots).

2) If we see the car from side carefully, then highly raked rear windscreen & big rear door hints at bigger length but at the same time its front bonnet section seems to be small i.e its front might have been chopped off to compensate for bigger boot. If this is true then it'll raise doubts on its frontal crash safety. Let's wait for official announcements for this conclusion.

3) This segment size benchmarks includes crucial 4-metre length which itself decided & names the segment as Compact Sedan segment so anything different from it will differ the product targeting & positioning. Again which will raise many questions, like,
-Current DZire will be sold alongside as Sub-4m DZire, maybe with mild-facelift.
-New DZire as bigger new one as a complete sedan.
-Not to forget the first gen DZire as DZire Tour.
I don't think so. Maruti will try to avoid such complicated lineup of same car & will try to keep the lineup fresh & updated with replacing current DZire with this new one.

Lets see.
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Definitely seems to be longer than 4m. Not surprising though considering the GST is expected to revive excise benefits for small cars. Would give Maruti a first mover advantage.
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Imo, maruti should make it as a 4.2m long sedan.
On a different note, people buying dzire for its sub-4m size may be higher than people not buying it for the same reason. The reason being its ease of driving in the city. So, if the new one is bigger, it would be wiser for maruti to retain current model and bring the new one as something like 'dzire senior'.
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If its indeed a Dzire based on the new generation Swift and not a facelift on the existing platform, then something is not adding up.

Based on the monthly sales chart, it is the new Swift which should debut first before the new Dzire. The month on month volume for the Swift has come down quite a lot but Dzire is holding steady somewhat.

Yes, a lot of that is down to cannibalization by Baleno and Brezza, but the product team wouldn't take it lightly to a successful brand like Swift losing share continuously. Besides, the current Swift has been here for long compared to the Dzire as the former came out first.

I was thinking about this and two thoughts came to my mind.
  1. Is it that Dzire gives MSIL more profit per car compared to Swift? It is a known fact that Hatchbacks are costlier to make compared to compact sedans. And sedans sell for a higher sticker price in our market too. Its really a double whammy!
  2. Or is it because of Bharat NCAP crash regulations which will come out in 2017? The crash regulation will be mandatory from the year 2017 for new models only. For the existing models, the mandate will be effective from 2019. So two years’ time is available to the vehicle manufacturers to comply with the crash regulations for existing models. Is MSIL trying to buy some time here as Dzire is mainly an India specific model.

Maybe, point #2 not such a big deal as Bharat NCAP crash regulations cover only full frontal crash, offset frontal crash and side crash. Except the side crash, both Swift and Dzire should fare equally in the tests. And as far as I know, Bharat NCAP would be a voluntary scheme. And everyone here knows safety doesn't sell much in the mass market.

Maybe, I am just deliberating all this a bit too much.

Coming back to the car, it will be great if MSIL can make the Dzire a notchback. A notchback, which is aesthetically pleasing and practical makes much more sense than a compact sedan. The heavy cladding on the roof at the rear above the windshield is giving a bit of hope. But, I am not going to get carried away before seeing some better photos. We have been down this path quite a few times with no luck.

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Maybe, we are going to see a heavily reworked Dzire on the existing Swift platform itself. The wheels in these spy shots point to the current generation. And since GST could blow the 'small car' excise benefits out of the water, this Dzire could grow in size as well.

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Maruti Suzuki fast tracks the testing of the 2017 DZire, now seen again in Delhi!

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Maruti Suzuki's sedan Dzire spied up and close,

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Looks like the passenger area has grown longer and the boot has become shorter. Don't be fooled by the huge fake inserts on the boot lid. Should translate to better passenger comfort and ergonomics at the cost of luggage space.

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This actually looks like it was intended as a sedan first, and not an afterthought. The C-pillar integration, the larger passenger cabin and the overall stance is just so much better than the current Dzire. It doesn't look too tall as is the case with most other compact sedans in the segment.
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What a relief! Maruti finally make a step in making the Dzire look proportional in design. I think the new design of the next gen swift has been done simultaneously along with the iterations of the Dzire considering the sales of the Dzire matches or even beats that of the swift in India. And this could be a sedan than could sell in other markets like China ( may be not the under 4m ) and hence this ground up integration.

The current Dzire was not planned for any other market apart from India. So Suzuki night have said to the Indian team "look here is the new swift, now make a Dzire out of it".

On the contrary the new swift seemed to have been designed keeping the the Dzire in mind.
Even while the current Dzire is so odd looking the sales are so good, just imagine what a decent design could bring about for Suzuki in India!
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A Motorbash spy shares these sneaky tidbits:

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  • The exterior will majorly be new. Both the bumpers will be redesigned comprehensively.
  • The 2017 Dzire will follow a new design philosophy which is bolder and sportier.
  • The front grille will get a new layout with several horizontal slits.
  • Powering the new Swift Dzire will be the same 1.2-litre petrol and 1.3-litre diesel (sourced from Fiat) mills. However, they will be tuned differently.
  • The new Dzire will be more fuel efficient than the present version.
  • Thatís not all - the car is going to get a new chassis. Unlike what a lot of people have reported, it wonít be the one seen in the Baleno.
  • Emphasis is on reducing weight and it is expected to be lighter than the current model. This will help in boosting the carís performance.
  • Transmission options shall continue to be the sameÖ
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