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Old 16th March 2017, 22:08   #331
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Looks like the WR-V is a close competitor to the Brezza. Below is the comparison of Diesel options:

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Comparison of Diesel WRV's S variant with similarly featured Brezza VDI (O)

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Comparison of Diesel WRV's Top variant with Brezza top variant (ZDI+ non-dual tone)

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Overall a good effort from Honda. But the flock will run behind the Marutis. The WR-V will look all the more attractive during the year end and early next year when Honda will give discounts upto 1 lac to clear old stocks as we cannot expect such discounts for Brezza.

Like Ecosport, WR-V has both Petrol and Diesel options whereas Brezza is yet to come with Petrol engine.
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Old 16th March 2017, 22:25   #332
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Unbelievable slide from the presentation by Honda (@cardekho tweet)
Target consumer - show off, status, premium (lower right corner)
What were the marketing team thinking? The word 'show off' sounds so very unprofessional.
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Default Re: Honda WR-V production begins in India. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 7.75 lakh

Was expecting a premium pricing, but looks like WR-V is a little too premium. Does 1.2 lakhs over the top variant Jazz make sense?

For 8.99 lakhs, a Jazz VX with 1.5L engine would have made better sense I think.

Anyways, WR-V should open well. The trick will be in sustaining that demand. Even BR-V had a good opening though demand fizzled out after a few months.

A colleague of mine is eyeing the WR-V to replace his old Aveo hatch and he thinks this pricing is okay. And apparently Honda sales told him that the 1.2 petrol is tuned differently compared to the Jazz. Let's see how it goes!

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Sorry, could you elaborate on this? By in-built do you mean integrated into the exhaust manifold? Rather than a independent sensor?
It's a LAF sensor placed just before the catalytic convertor, which helps in effectively reducing emissions to a minimum. (link)

A first for any Honda car in India.

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Emissions have been reduced by using various new technologies, including a high swirl head port, high intake flow and compression ratio, and, for the first time in Honda’s India line-up, a Lambda Sensor (LAF sensor or oxygen sensor), which is applied before the catalytic converter. This LAF sensor is essentially an electronic device that monitors the level of air-fuel mixture being fed to the engine, and provides this information to the vehicle’s engine management system. It enables the engine to supply the most efficient ratio of air and fuel, thus enabling the car to run efficiently, while keeping emissions to a minimum.
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Huge, huge missed opportunity by Honda by limiting the petrol to the 1.2 VTEC.

The EcoSport has shown that in the sub-10 lakh market, people are now quite comfortable buying petrols and aren't as diesel-crazy as they were a few years ago.

If Honda had launched the 1.5 VTEC in the manual and CVT guise, it would have really thrown the gauntlet down for the EcoSport's petrol models, since:
  • Ford's 1.5 Ti-VCT can't hold a candle to the 1.5 VTEC
  • Honda's CVT paired with the 1.5 VTEC is a combination easily capable of taking on Ford's DCT
  • Honda's 1.5 VTEC with an MT is exciting enough to offer a reasonable alternative to the EcoBoost

Combined with the spacious and airy cabin of the Jazz/WR-V, this combination would have been good enough to sway a good number of petrol buyers away from the EcoSport.

But hey, Honda have the only sunroof in that segment, so they've got that going for them
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Dud on arrival for sure!!!

Folks at Honda are smoking some pretty awesome stuff these days which gives them some fascinating hallucinations:

The City launched in 2014: quality compromised which they thought would make up with the brand. Result was the Ciaz overtook them.

Jazz: overpriced and hence a failure. I20 and Baleno are miles ahead.

Mobilio: stretch the Brio. Indians will buy anything with more seats. Disaster.

BRV: give the Mobilio a facelift and increase the pricing. Disaster 2.

Accord: was it even launched?

WRV: seriously? That much for a 1.2 engine!

Honda is looking down the barrel and soon with Ciaz facelift and new Verna (and Vios?) coming, the only car that sells might also see dwindling numbers.

I feel sad for a company that could have easily challenged Hyundai for the number 2 position in our market.
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Sorry guys, just returned from work and caught up with this thread. Am unable to see what the fuss is all about. Yes the pricing of the petrol seems exorbitant at 1.2 lac extra over jazz vx(for extra ground clearance, better touch screen, sunroof and arguably more space inside). But isn't the diesel pretty alright in comparison? (Extra cruise control and start stop over and above the above features).
How is the ecosport better vfm? Aren't the ecoboost, 1.5 at, titanium +tdci all pricier? What is it that it offers extra for esssentially a 4 seater? Or am I missing something? Even the brezza (as highlighted above in this page seems pricier for what it offers).
Would be grateful if someone could shed some light. Am in the market for an immediate purchase now hence puzzled.
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After having a ride in both petrol and diesel WRV, it was easier to chalk out the diesel immediately because of the NVH levels
Just couldn't bear the ranting in a brand new vehicle, I cant even imagine the sound after a few months of ownership.

So then coming to the petrol, the standard grouse holds good which everyone here is mentioning (about a 1.2 against having a 1.5 iVtec) However, within a city like Mumbai one rarely gets to zoom but damn, you do need that power to overtake.


And if Honda wanted only 2 variants, least they could have kept the features common. Really miss the 'start stop' button and the 'cruise control' in the petrol variant.

Also, did NOT like the very basic headlights. Even the DRLs are nothing great to talk about. The tail lights though look fairly good.

And if Honda is tuning in here: Whats with the abbreviations ?
CRV, BRV, HRV, WRV ??

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Hello to all,

Got the following email from Honda sometime back. Almost laughed at some of the bullet points (will highlight the funny ones):

Dear Sir/Ma'am,
Greeting for the day !!!
We are proud to Announce that we are coming up with The All New Honda WR-V. To avail more Features do visit our Showroom on 16th March 2017 at the time of Launch or Call on Sahil Korani +91 75063 88320
WR-V, which is Honda's Newly Launch "Sporty Lifestyle Vehicle" for the People having "Active Lifestyle like Your's. It Comes with the Stunning Looks, Exhilarating Performance and Many Interesting Features such as:-
  • Commanding Road Presence
  • Day time LED Running Light
  • Cruise Control.
  • Electric Sunroof with Tilt, Slide and Auto Reverse Mode.
  • Push Start Stop Button.
  • 7"Inch Infotainment Digipad System.
  • Feather Touch AC Panel.
  • Reverse Parking Camera with 3 Views - Wide Angle, Narrow Angle and Top/Down View.
  • 16"Inch Sporty Gunmetal Painted Alloy Wheels.
  • Intelligent Paddle2
As it is Honda so you need not worry about
  • Durability, Quality & Reliability.
  • Safety.
  • Lowest Total Cost of Ownership.
  • Fun to Drive.
Pre-Booking Started with Rs. 21,000/- Only. (Refundable in case of cancellation)

Also sharing the email attachments (brochures, price list etc.). Btw, I drive the new Jazz VX (MT P). And somehow the WR-V doesn't really appeal to me. Come on Honda, is the sunroof more important than the Magic Seats? You took the 'soul' out of the Jazz when you launched the lower variants without the Jazz's biggest USP, and now you have practically laid such a promising car to rest by launching it in such a poorly specced iteration. 'Exhilarating Performance' and 'Electric Sunroof'!!

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Huge, huge missed opportunity by Honda by limiting the petrol to the 1.2 VTEC.
The only 3 reasons why the WR-V isn't offered with 1.5 iVTEC may be bacause,

1. Higher excise Duty compared to 1.2, so post GST, if the excise duty is eliminated all together, Honda may offer the 1.5 Petrol with CVT/5 MT.

2. Prevent cannibalization between City & WR-V 1.5. For a diffrenece of 87k, The City V spec which is more loaded then WR-V VX can be had for 9.99 lakhs.

3. If Honda launches the much better & more premium HR-V here, it will be offered with 1.5 iVTEC, though Honda may also offer it with 2.0 iVTEC from CR-V like they have done abroad.

Overall, I think they don't want each car to have that 1.5 iVTEC. Hence they are reserving it only to City, BR-V.

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Dud on arrival for sure!!!

Folks at Honda are smoking some pretty awesome stuff these days which gives them some fascinating hallucinations:

WRV: seriously? That much for a 1.2 engine!

Honda is looking down the barrel and soon with Ciaz facelift and new Verna (and Vios?) coming, the only car that sells might also see dwindling numbers.
The main problem with WR-V is actually the positioning. It's a Jazz Cross with new Face. That's it, it's side & rear are same with some minor modification (New Tail lights). It should have been a rival to the i20 Active/Urban Cross/Cross Polo etc.

Leaving Urban Cross, all of them have 1.2 Petrol Engines while the Etios Cross also has 1.5 Petrol option. So, if you take this point into consideration, the WR-V with 1.2 Petrol would have been fine.

But, Honda decided to be different, they positioned it against Ecosport & Brezza. This naturally resulted in higher price then what it should have been. When that happened, the 1.2 Petrol was out of question, and hence to justify the high price, the 1.5 iVTEC was expected. So, it's just because of Positioning Blunder, the WR-V looks overpriced & underpowered. Let us gauge public reaction.

City Facelift is doing well, I am seeing lots of them since last 15 days. So, unless Ciaz Facelift launches at same price as current model, the New City won't be worried.

Honda would have been No.2 if they had priced thier products well, that mistake has hit them badly.

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But isn't the diesel pretty alright in comparison? (Extra cruise control and start stop over and above the above features).
How is the ecosport better vfm? Aren't the ecoboost, 1.5 at, titanium +tdci all pricier? What is it that it offers extra for esssentially a 4 seater? Or am I missing something? Even the brezza (as highlighted above in this page seems pricier for what it offers).
Diesel WR-V is alright if you consider Features & Engine part. That ends there, in all other terms (SUV looks, High Driving Stance, High Ground Clearance, More Variants to choose from) the Ecosport overall is a better package. If you compare prices of Ecosport Titanium & WR-V VX, apart from lack of Touchscreen, the Ecosport has more features.

With the Upcoming Facelift, I expect the new Ecosport to up the game even further. If I had to choose between the 3, it would be the Ecosport despite its narrow cabin & stiff suspension.

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whats with the shitty abbreviations
CRV, BRV, HRV, WRV....crap are we ???
Those have been their abbreviations for SUVs since 2000s. The WR-V & BR-V are new though.

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WR-V, which is Honda's Newly Launch "Sporty Lifestyle Vehicle" for the People having "Active Lifestyle like Your's.
Wow!

Congrats on your active lifestyle .

WR-V the only SLV could very well be their tagline.

I am impressed with their liking for the letter V. Imagine someone saying, Hey, I own a BR-V-V variant. It is an SLV, .
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Unbelievable slide from the presentation by Honda (@cardekho tweet)
Target consumer - show off, status, premium (lower right corner)
What were the marketing team thinking? The word 'show off' sounds so very unprofessional.
Weird set of words, don't even make sense together. Also not able to understand this fixation of marketing by age group. Telling that it is targeted for an age group of 28-34 makes no sense. Combine that with the additional tag lines of 'Single' and 'DINK' (Double Income No Kids) the message is even more confusing.

Considering one of the big USP's of this car is the space, wonder why they are even marketing towards 'Single' and DINK.

Overall not at all impressed with the marketing pitch. If they wanted to 'show off, status, premium', they should have put in the 1.5V-Tec and also the CVT.

I like the way it looks though. Expect it to cannibalize the Jazz a bit. Becoming a little underwhelming to consistently see manufacturers bring out cars dressed up in different forms with no change in the heart.

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Unbelievable slide from the presentation by Honda (@cardekho tweet)
Target consumer - show off, status, premium (lower right corner)
What were the marketing team thinking? The word 'show off' sounds so very unprofessional.
Show off - Really???

With a 1.2 ltr engine whats there to show off , oh, probably they meant the sun roof

But thats not a good set of words to describe your target audience. As Rajeevraj has pointed out its confusing when they use 'Single' and 'DINK' at the same time

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The only 3 reasons why the WR-V isn't offered with 1.5 iVTEC may be bacause,

1. Higher excise Duty compared to 1.2, so post GST, if the excise duty is eliminated all together, Honda may offer the 1.5 Petrol with CVT/5 MT.
Higher excise duty, I Agree, but Ford has managed to price the Ecosport despite not availing the benefit.

In fact, Ford has managed to price the Titanium AT with the 1.5 Ti-VCT below 10 Lacs @ 9.92, so it wasn't impossible for Honda to launch a CVT with 1.5 iVtec @ > 10 Lacs

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2. Prevent cannibalization between City & WR-V 1.5. For a diffrenece of 87k, The City V spec which is more loaded then WR-V VX can be had for 9.99 lakhs.

3. If Honda launches the much better & more premium HR-V here, it will be offered with 1.5 iVTEC, though Honda may also offer it with 2.0 iVTEC from CR-V like they have done abroad.

Overall, I think they don't want each car to have that 1.5 iVTEC. Hence they are reserving it only to City, BR-V.
This makes sense
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Can anyone comment on ride comfort of-

Duster vs Brezza vs Safari vs WRV?

On broken roads, at lowish speeds.
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Weird set of words, don't even make sense together.
If Honda's target market is DINK couples who want a vehicle for their weekend trips to Kasauli & Rishikesh, the sales register would not exceed 2 digits

The 'modern lifestyle' couples that I know are either happy traveling in a taxi/ train or have enough means to buy segment leading vehicles like the City, XUV500, etc. Offroaders prefer Thar, Gypsy or Duster. So where does WRV fit exactly?
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