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Old 8th March 2017, 16:29   #46
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First of all IMHO 3 star ratings of Ford Figo Aspire is not bad, especially in this segment which is still budget cautious. Definitely it could have been better. We have been using zero star ratings cars in this segments as well. Its an improvement I'd say looking at the point from where we started and when we started. This is acknowledged by global NCAP as well. I don't think apart from VWs, Hondas and Toyotas any other manufacturer' car is scoring more than this in similarly priced cars.

I can't resist myself mentioning that I read this thread and February 2017 : Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis thread withing the span of last 30 mins. And the cars discussed in them are mutually exclusive, I mean, barring few cars the cars discussed in both the threads are different. I am sad with the scenario and don't know where are we heading. Probable reasons,
1. Lack of safety awareness on part of customers. Even learned people don't look at safety seriously. For entry level segment, price plays an important role.
2. For manufacturers its a business, still I'd say its lack of responsibility on their part.
3. Lack of regulations on part of authorities. I think ARAI is in process of imposing crash norms in 2018. It will be a welcome move.

As far as numerical value of star is concerned, I feel sometimes quantification is challenging and it will keep on evolving. I am happy that right now it is not like Duckworth-Lewis rule in cricket.

It would be interesting to know,
1. How many cars in India below Rs. 10 lakh price point have 3 or above 3 star rating?
2. Which is the cheapest safe car (Non-zero star rating) in India?
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First of all IMHO 3 star ratings of Ford Figo Aspire is not bad, especially in this segment which is still budget cautious.
3 stars is good, but what is worrying is that they just scraped through and got 3 stars, because the whole body shell is unstable.

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It would be interesting to know,
1. How many cars in India below Rs. 10 lakh price point have 3 or above 3 star rating?
2. Which is the cheapest safe car (Non-zero star rating) in India?
1. There are a few like Etios Liva, Polo, Mobilio and Zest. If you can add their chassis derivatives, then it includes Etios, Brio, Amaze and Bolt. Not adding Vento, Rapid and B-RV because they are not really sub 10 lakhs. Like Figo, Zest's shell too was judged unstable even though it got 4 stars.

2. Kwid got 1 star.

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Lack of safety awareness on part of customers. Even learned people don't look at safety seriously. For entry level segment, price plays an important role.

I would say lack of awareness is the primary reason and of course as you also mentioned, all the automobile companies are here to do business. And they do take advantage of this lack of awareness.

I have never seen any of my friends, relatives or colleagues discuss safety while buying a car, apart from the usual airbag (rarely though). Not even ABS or ESP. We give more importance to VFM aspects.
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I also personally feel that there is a su-conscious factor which no one thinks or plans that he/she is going to badly crash it, almost everyone thinks that they will use the car in one piece till the day they decide to upgrade.

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I would say lack of awareness is the primary reason and of course as you also mentioned, all the automobile companies are here to do business. And they do take advantage of this lack of awareness.

I have never seen any of my friends, relatives or colleagues discuss safety while buying a car, apart from the usual airbag (rarely though). Not even ABS or ESP. We give more importance to VFM aspects.
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1900 CR investment is significant and does imply seriouness on safety. From your own #s below, they are spending almost 42% of their net profit for the test facility. Non-seriousness about safety would not have resulted in such a huge amount of investment. Let us give it to them for making substantial investments in safety
You've probably only read half my post, which is why you still dont understand why most people think that MSIL is not serious about automotive safety. The top brass at MSIL have been instrumental in lobbying for lax or no safety norms in India. This is the reason why the Crash testing norms are not already enforced in India, while it is prevalent in many 3rd world countries.
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Having weak body structure clearly shows Ford deliberately skipped this and instead added 6 airbags as a marketing ploy. Since having side and curtain airbags brings its own advantage as segment first, Ford thought that this will win over safety conscious customers. However being a customer I would prefer to have stable body shell with airbags than a weak shell with airbags.
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Found this comparison of various NCAPs. This is from 2015, some test criteria might have changed.
That's quite an interesting comparo. Goes on to show how watered down even the ASEAN NCAP is in relation to the Euro NCAP. From the chart, it is pretty clear that the safety features sold in cars in the European Union are the best of all. Even American and Australian NCAPs are not at par. Kudos to the agencies that implemented them. So if we can coclude: European Lives>American/Canadian Lives>=Australian>ASEAN>Indian/Other 3rd world lives.

Does anyone know what the Bharat NCAP ratings are going to be based on. While I agree having a safety testing procedure is a good starting point, I would want it to be at par with the best rather than with the 'me-too' standards (ASEAN NCAP in this case).
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Is the a website/page that lists the NCAP crash test ratings for all Indian cars? It will be useful as a reference site when buying or recommending cars.
I also feel with more than 50% market share , more cars from the Maruti stable should be tested to really make a difference. If Maruti ups the game in safety, others have no choice but to follow.

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Is the a website/page that lists the NCAP crash test ratings for all Indian cars? It will be useful as a reference site when buying or recommending cars.
I could see the results of all the Indian made cars which are tested by NCAP in the below link. We can always download the full fact sheet of each model for reference and go ahead with our recommendations.

http://www.globalncap.org/results/

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