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Old 29th March 2017, 15:41   #46
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As per the reports vehicles totaling to 8,24,000 worth Rs 12 crores are lying unsold and the Government has contended that these might become obsolete and will turn into junk if the apex court rules that such vehicles can't be registered.
Are you sure that cost of 8.2 Lakh 2 wheelers is just Rs12 Crore?
The vehicles wont be junked. They can be very well converted into supporting BS4, by changing components and re-use.

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Looks manufacturers are indeed getting into problem - here's the message from a Honda dealer

Honda 2Wheelers has today announced the ‘March Dhamaka’ offer for 5 days!

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This was very much expected. Some lucky souls may get even more discounts, if they wait till tomorrow and book the bike with full NEFT & RTGS payment on the spot.


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Supreme Court bans sale of BS-III vehicles from April 1, 2017
Excellent decision.

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Not sure if I should be happy or sad as I was awaiting delivery of a BS3 motorcycle with discounts.
You should be happy.
Try getting your booking cancelled now. You might be offered even more deals.
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I think the SC has given the right signal by banning the sale and registration of BS III vehicles from April 1, 2017. The likes of Bajaj, DICV and others took it in their positive stride and are now sitting comfortably with BS IV stocks and the likes of Hero and others who preferred to "Chalta hai attitude" will be learning a lesson the hard way.
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The health of the citizen is more important than the commercial interests of the automobile industry, the Supreme Court observed today and ordered a freeze on the registration and sale of BS-III fuel compliant vehicles from April 1, 2017, when the next level and environmentally friendly BS-IV fuel emission norms will kick in.

A Bench, led by Justice Madan B. Lokur, pronounced the operative part of their judgment despite pleas by vehicle manufacturers that they had a stockpile of over 8.2 lakh BS-III vehicles, which would become redundant and leave the automobile industry in doldrums.

The Centre too favoured the prospect of selling the existent stock of BS-III vehicles.

Solicitor General Ranjit Kumar had submitted that it was done twice before when fuel emissions norms were upgraded to BS-II and BS-III, respectively.

But the court observed orally on March 28 that the vehicle manufacturers had prior notice of the latest fuel emission norms' upgradaption. Yet they did not slow down the production of BS-III vehicles. The court in a way has put the onus of loss from the freeze on the manufacturers.
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Are you sure that cost of 8.2 Lakh 2 wheelers is just Rs12 Crore?
It's not 12 crore, but 12K crore.

Source: http://www.firstpost.com/business/su...e-3357878.html
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Found this on Twitter.

Happy deal hunting guys.
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I am not sure what to feel about this decision. Are we not missing the key point (that SIAM asserted) that it was, in fact, the Government which had advised that the cutover dates were for production and not registration?

If so, the discussion should focus more on the Government's role here. If the guidelines from the government to SIAM were not properly drafted, then the Government should be taken to task. Laxity in properly formulating rules takes India towards being treated as a 'banana republic' (reflecting Toyota's and VW's earlier comments when the NGT hit them with decisions the legality of which is still not fully established).

Clear definition of rules, and sticking to a consistent stand is even more important than pollution (and pollution is more important that commercial interests, as the SC rightly said)
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Found this on Twitter.

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Who is going to buy this stuff, when the vehicles can't be registered?
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My guess - a one month extension to dispose stocks. But even that small extension will reek of mal-practices


btw, any idea which car models are actually affected ?
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My guess - a one month extension to dispose stocks. But even that small extension will reek of mal-practices


btw, any idea which car models are actually affected ?
Expect all M&M Models except XUV (Boleros Mostly), Tavera, EECO and Indica/Indigos. Don't think there are any leftover BS3 vehicles left. Most of the manufacturers Moved to BS4 in 2009 itself. Only Maruti, Tata and Mahindra kept both BS3 & BS4 Variants in their lineup.
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4. Selling a BS4 vehicle will not ensure BS4 compliant emissions from the vehicle alone. BS4 fuel also has to be available and used on the vehicle. As far as I know, very few parts of our nation apart from our Metros/Tier 1 cities carry BS4 fuel. Haven't seen anybody create a fuss about that.
BS4 fuel is almost nationwide now and something that should have been completed by 2015 if the original plans of trailing 5 years behind EU norms were strictly adhered to.
  • April 2010: BS4 introduction and launch in NCR + 13 cities nationwide (doubt all are Tier 1)
  • April 2014: By this time other cities were 'identified' based on vehicle/human population, being state capitals etc and supposedly 26 more cities had gone BS4 by this time, taking total to 39. An extra 24 cities were said to be in pipeline. So not all of these were Metros/Tier 1 cities.
  • April 2015: Whole of Northern India covering Jammu and Kashmir (except Leh/Ladakh), Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Delhi and parts of Rajasthan and western UP has BS4 fuel. This is in addition to the individual 39+ cities across various parts of the country that had gone BS4.
  • April 2016: All of Goa, Kerala, Karnataka, Telangana, Odisha, Union Territories of Daman and Diu, Dadra-Nagar-Haveli and Andaman & Nicobar, parts of Maharashtra and parts of Gujarat got BS4 fuel. Only major states left were Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh.
  • April 2017: BS4 fuel nationwide.

So if BS4 vehicles are being sold post April 2017, they are also getting BS4 quality fuel and there isn't any fuss that needs to be created for it at this point of time.

The pileup of inventory being two wheelers largely is also understandable since none of the cities in India required BS4 emission certification for two wheelers. I believe the case is similar for commercial vehicles (not sure of it), whereas for passenger vehicles RTO regulations that prevented sale/registration of BS3 vehicle were being widened and implemented in phased manner. Also virtually every CRDI diesel was BS4 and making the petrol engines adhere to BS4 wasn't much of an economic challenge. The passenger vehicles that are in inventory pile-up would almost all be diesels and using a non-crdi setup. These variants were prefered primarily by commercial/cab operators owing to their lesser cost, being more robust to fuel adulterations and more importantly ease of repairs outside authorised service centers.

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2014 article in The Hindu on BS4 fuel being extended to more cities
Article which confirms status on April 2015 and plans for April 2016
2016 Autocar Professional article on BS4 fuel readiness
BS4 fuel policy and cities identified.pdf
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Say I book a BSIII vehicle tomorrow, what if the registration gets pushed out to the 1st of April? The dealer would take the full amount citing they need it to complete the registration. So what would happen if I paid in full and the registration is not completed by 31st March?

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Most of the manufacturers Moved to BS4 in 2009 itself. Only Maruti, Tata and Mahindra kept both BS3 & BS4 Variants in their lineup.
I did expect some of M&M's to be on the list. But kind of surprised with this report:

http://www.drivespark.com/four-wheel...es-020437.html

Toyota stopped it in Feb 2017 ?
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What will happen to the old cars that are BS-III? The ruling says cars sold before March 31st can be registered. Pardon my ignorance but can fuel meant for BS-IV vehicles be used in BS-III vehicles?
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Say I book a BSIII vehicle tomorrow, what if the registration gets pushed out to the 1st of April? The dealer would take the full amount citing they need it to complete the registration. So what would happen if I paid in full and the registration is not completed by 31st March?
I read that registration can be completed post Apr 01, if the sale is done by Mar 31. Please do google for the details.
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Who?
True, also am assuming this all BSIII stock is in non metro areas.
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