Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 18th April 2017, 18:12   #31
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Rajeevraj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 3,168
Thanked: 7,534 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by landcruiser123 View Post

Isn't the Creta an option?
The Creta petrol automatic apparently costs 16.5L on the road Bangalore. I think there is only one petrol variant.
Rajeevraj is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2017, 18:26   #32
BHPian
 
Aslamjaffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Coimbatore
Posts: 30
Thanked: 28 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Phew ! Thatís some real-time analytics there. Thanks for sharing.

I can visualize the quantity of ground work done to get this up.

Maybe the auto makers should peep into this thread for a superior strategical decision.

Cheers !
Aslamjaffer is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2017, 18:55   #33
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 354
Thanked: 297 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

One more excellent thread, smartcat.

You can try adding some copyrights to the analysis.

May we know how many man-hours went into this analysis?
jetsetgo08 is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2017, 21:16   #34
Senior - BHPian
 
sandeepmdas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Varkala
Posts: 1,091
Thanked: 501 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetsetgo08 View Post

You can try adding some copyrights to the analysis.

May we know how many man-hours went into this analysis?
I was about to post exactly these two questions... The second question is very valid since it will take almost an hour just to read and comprehend the data and analysis.

Voted 5 stars.
sandeepmdas is offline   (3) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2017, 23:30   #35
BHPian
 
Geo_Ipe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vellore
Posts: 381
Thanked: 304 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rajeevraj View Post
Coincidentally was in a chat with a fellow bhpian about a friend of his wanting a Petrol Automatic SUV (No AMT stuff) under 15L On the Road.

Add me to the list of people wanting a proper Petrol AT SUV at 15 lac! Creta is the only option available at present, at a shade over 15 lac though. The closest competitor being the Ecosport. Maybe the S Cross and Brezza petrols are just around the corner as well (with or without AT).

As long as the market receives these pseuso SUV's well, why would a manufacturer want to invest in R&D to bring out a proper product which might be frowned upon by the audience!?
Geo_Ipe is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th April 2017, 08:33   #36
Senior - BHPian
 
shankar.balan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BLR
Posts: 8,053
Thanked: 5,303 Times
Default

A very nice analysis.

I remember commenting about some of this in 2004 itself in some auto mags via letters to the editors.
At that time, the clear growth path was interesting and feature rich, diesel compact SUV type cars. It took them years to come into the market with suitable offerings, arriving right at the time when Diesel and Petrol were beginning to reach price parity!
Petrol started becoming interesting along with AT and safety features and other bells and whistles.
They should then have immediately started introducing Petrol engines and AT along with all the other safety features.
This is currently the path to growth. But Im thinking by the time the manufacturers react and have sufficient offerings here, the tide may have turned again!
The guys who could have quickly read and addressed the market according to the tides above are Suzuki, Toyota, Honda and Hyundai. Sadly they didnt. They stayed content serving us old wine in newer bottles time after time!
shankar.balan is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th April 2017, 11:08   #37
BHPian
 
fuel_addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 691
Thanked: 111 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Excellent thread. The amount of work that must have gone in to compile this data must be staggering. Kudos to smarcat!!

Hopefully, the car manufacturers will stumble upon this thread and take cues for future upgrades/launches. As Rajeevraj mentioned earlier, improving the existing range with better engines/gearbox (AT)/Features should see sales figures doing better instead of coming out with newer cars built from scratch. As such we are seeing way too many cars sharing the same engine within a manufacturer's portfolio (MSIL).

Toyota for one has been very lazy with their portfolio for the Indian market. They could easily do with a car positioned between the Etios and the Altis. The Etios and Liva should have never seen the light of the day in the first place. There were better options (Vios) that Toyota could have brought in.

Last edited by fuel_addict : 19th April 2017 at 11:13.
fuel_addict is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th April 2017, 13:38   #38
BHPian
 
speedmunster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 132
Thanked: 91 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by landcruiser123 View Post


Nobody makes automatics for small diesels across all markets. So, at best you're going to get an AMT.
In today's stop and go traffic, even an AMT makes a lot of sense. Apart from that, I would like to see automatic transmissions on the Honda City/Jazz/Amaze Diesel, Figo/Aspire Diesel, Swift/Baleno/Ciaz Diesel, even the Corolla Diesel. All fine cars in their own right but they lack automatic transmissions.
speedmunster is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th April 2017, 16:11   #39
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Navi Mumbai
Posts: 18
Thanked: 16 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

A very interesting read, thank you!
Maruti is the leader in every segment except SUV Segment 2 where S-Cross is way behind Creta. Maybe instead of opening Nexa dealerships, they should've created a new premium brand just like Honda/Toyota/Nissan. Time and again we've seen Maruti fail to enter the premium segment with good cars like Grand Vitara and Kizashi. They should've learned this by now.
Who wouldn't love a more premium Maruti which is well built but still retains all the other qualities which make Maruti the brand this country loves.
razer2911 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th April 2017, 16:50   #40
BHPian
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Gurgaon
Posts: 127
Thanked: 81 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vid6639 View Post
I have been saying this for a long time now. This segment needs to be explored.




Another segment where the gap is huge is the 18-25L SUV/crossover. The Tucson is the lone option and even that is 32L on road in cities like Bangalore. What is needed is something in between the Creta and Tucson.
What is actually needed is sensible pricing for Tucson. Overpriced by 2-3 Lacs IMHO. I am waiting and watching for the success or failure of Tuscon at this price.

Hyundai should adjust prices of Creta also accordingly.

Rgds
VineetG is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 19th April 2017, 17:35   #41
BHPian
 
Enobarbus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 139
Thanked: 379 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

What an absolutely awesome thread. Great work indeed Smart Cat.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vid6639 View Post
Another segment where the gap is huge is the 18-25L SUV/crossover. The Tucson is the lone option and even that is 32L on road in cities like Bangalore. What is needed is something in between the Creta and Tucson.
I too think that there is an opportunity for manufacturers there. In terms of pricing, we do have some SUV/Crossovers like the high end XUV 500/Hexa, but they are big and bulky. What we don't have is an SUV/Crossover roughly the size of the Tucson at the cost of a high end Hexa/XUV500.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KiloAlpha View Post
If rumours are correct, your prayers will be answered by the Jeep Compass.
I too pray that the rumours will prove correct and the Compass fits into that space. But most members in the Jeep Compass thread seem to think otherwise.
Enobarbus is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 21st April 2017, 08:30   #42
Senior - BHPian
 
McLaren Rulez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mysore
Posts: 2,366
Thanked: 457 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vid6639 View Post
I have been saying this for a long time now. This segment needs to be explored.

From the i20, customer needs to upgrade to sedan or crossover. There's no luxury hatch between the Baleno/i20 and the A class.
The S-Cross is actually a very good upgrade from the i20 and has "opened" the segment. Shame they don't have a petrol engine in yet.
McLaren Rulez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st April 2017, 09:13   #43
Distinguished - BHPian
 
smartcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,696
Thanked: 9,689 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by smartcat View Post
3) Renault Pulse (hatchback) starts at Rs. 5.3 Lakhs (1.2L petrol engine) while Renault Scala (sedan) starts at Rs. 8.6 Lakhs (1.5L petrol engine). And wow, Nissan Sunny is aiming for Honda City/VW Vento with a starting price of Rs. 10 Lakhs. Unlikely to help - but Nissan/Renault could bring in lower priced versions of these sedans. No need to pull out expensive variants though.
Up to 20% price cut means Nissan Sunny now stops competing with the likes of City/Vento. So now Sunny (based on Micra) prices are now in-line with sedan variants of Swift/Liva/Figo

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...6-99-lakh.html (Nissan Sunny prices revised, now starts at Rs. 6.99 lakh)
smartcat is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 21st April 2017, 10:19   #44
BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: India
Posts: 149
Thanked: 332 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Quote:
Originally Posted by VineetG View Post
Hyundai should adjust prices of Creta also accordingly.
And why should they do that? They command 4-6 months waiting period and clock in close to 10K unit per month. They are laughing all the way to bank and you want them to correct prices and lower their profit involuntarily ?
RaghuVis is online now   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 21st April 2017, 10:21   #45
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Mumbai/Pune
Posts: 89
Thanked: 53 Times
Default Re: Dear Manufacturers, this is where opportunities lie

Awesome and comprehensive analysis, SmartCat. Extremely useful stuff for all of us enthusiasts and, of-course, dollars for the manufacturers.

Last edited by AutoSphere : 21st April 2017 at 10:22. Reason: Missed addressing SmartCat
AutoSphere is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ETAuto Videos: Industry leaders speak on challenges & opportunities for Indian car dealerships GTO The Indian Car Scene 2 21st October 2016 14:55
job opportunities in automobile sector vikramvicky1984 Shifting gears 4 28th August 2013 12:53
Motorsport Opportunities - F1, Neel Jani & Others aashika Introduce yourself 4 3rd December 2009 16:36


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 07:47.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks