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Old 27th July 2017, 22:12   #31
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Tata will be there in the picture from the start with whatever knowledge they have gained through the years.
That is what i strongly doubt. All their R&D centre in the UK has been able to do for the past 10 years or so is to plug in an EV drive train into each of their passenger car models for a tour of the auto show and journo test drive circuit. there is a cottage industry which does this in the UK anyway, and from their website, it seems TML is trying to develop its own IP as opposed to licensing anything from the existing players.

If you look at the top selling EV's - they are all designed as EV's from the ground up, The Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, All those tesla's. If you retrofit an EV drivetrain into a car designed for an iC engine, no matter how much you tweak it, your results will be sub optimal. Given TML's penchant for cooking up lots of random proof of concepts, you'd think they'd have built up the expertise to design a concept ground up EV to showcase in their tour of the PR circuit, but instead, we get the automotive equivalent of "this tata bolt's power source will SHOCK YOU"
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I don't think India is ready for EVs as yet in comparison with what the US/Europe or China have done. Pls note that all these 3 markets have achieved self sufficiency in power generation and have been running big surpluses.

We, on the other hand, are consistently missing our power generation goals every plan period. With the new Govt having come in 2014 and growth being put back on track, one expects steep increase in demand from industries as well as overall domestic demand going up due to higher disposable incomes and discretionary spending.
Quote from The Economist July 29th 2017: There will be plenty of power to operate them. Installed generating capacity has more than doubled since 2007. The capacity of power projects now being built should double it again from the present level, assuming they are all completed. Improvements to transmission are no less impressive. “We have a more advanced, more flexible grid than Europe’s,” enthuses VinayakChatterjee, an infrastructure consultant.

Those of you who are regular readers will agree that The Economist is one of the strongest, anti-India critics and does not eulogise the current govenment.

There will be a problem of plenty with all the private and Government power projects coming online simultaneously as well as the burgeoning solar energy sector. So Narayan, electricity is NOT a problem!

As far as charging infrastructure is concerned, a few weeks back I saw a company turning street lamp-posts into fast-charging stations at Hounslow on the outskits of London, complete with online billing through an app based smartphone interface. (Google it up guys).

Takes about 3 hours or so to convert each lamp-post. There are more than adequate lamp-posts in the Top 20 cities of India methinks. And Tata Power or Relaince Energy are more than capable of starting a new business to enable their lamp-posts to become new cash churners over night!

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And my commonsense tells me that building this infrastructure is much cheaper than investing on Metro/mono rail etc.
Umm, Metro is infrasturcture Raj

Metro construction costs in India are the lowest in the world and are a viable mass transportation solution. Metro Rail will be complemented by EVs for last mile personal mobility. Home to Metro station in an EV, long distance commute by Metro, followed by a shared e-rickshaw to office doorstep.

And this is also why we will not need more than 200 kms EV range for personal transport in India. For Public Transport the battery range will be augmented by contact free, trickle charging in the minute or so each bus is stationary at bus-stops or red signals.

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I think electric cars have a long way to go in India, and they'll increase in popularity only when:

1. Battery tech improves even further (it is every year)
2. EVs go mass market and the price / benefits ratio is comparable to regular cars
3. Charging stations are as ubiquitous as petrol pumps
4. The charging is quick!

Our country's adoption rate is very slow. Take hybrids for instance.
Like most problems the root is cost structures. Sri Lanka (similar terrain, weather, culture, slightly better per capita income) has a nearly 20% hybrid adoption rate and a 7% electric car adoption rate. Why?

Simple - Fuel is more expensive, independant home-based, solar charging facilities are practical and the import duties on 'almost new' hybrid car and electric car imports from Japan are favourable.

As soon as the cost structures are a bit more favourable in India, there is no reason why adoption will not pick up similar to the adoption of cell-phones once the 'tipping point' in terms of cost of usage was reached.
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There will be a problem of plenty with all the private and Government power projects coming online simultaneously as well as the burgeoning solar energy sector. So Narayan, electricity is NOT a problem!

As far as charging infrastructure is concerned, a few weeks back I saw a company turning street lamp-posts into fast-charging stations at Hounslow on the outskits of London, complete with online billing through an app based smartphone interface. (Google it up guys).

Takes about 3 hours or so to convert each lamp-post. There are more than adequate lamp-posts in the Top 20 cities of India methinks. And Tata Power or Relaince Energy are more than capable of starting a new business to enable their lamp-posts to become new cash churners over night!
I concur. Enabling a charging station, authorizing its use and billing a consumer is very easy currently with the availability of wireless data network infrastructure. Its the will that's lacking.

With the availability of electricity, rest of the issues are not India specific (and available already) and doesnt need time to adopt them. So to say we are not ready yet is not correct.

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