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Old 8th September 2017, 10:39   #16
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I think I may come across as the only one who deems this idea is good albeit if implemented properly. Reducing sales of vehicles ( be it cars or bikes/scooters) leads to

1. Less pollution. (Debatable but then it is true).
2. Less traffic on the roads .
3. Better productivity. How you ask? (i) Reach workplace in peace (ii) Reach on time

But it needs to be implemented such that it will not inconvenience the public.

1. Increase public transport (metros/buses).
2. Provide end to end connectivity.
3. Clean, efficient mass transport.
4. Last but very important make it very economical for all.

Also this rule should be made applicable even to public vehicles. All those old buses, trucks, autos, taxis everything should be phased out. But make things easier and smoother for them to avail loans or provide them with sops. This would be needed as most of them people driving Autos, cabs etc would not be able to afford to replace their vehicles easily.

Well lets wait and watch what the mantra from the government would be!
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Gadkari should set an example and get more environmentally friendly vehicles for official use and for his security detail.

Also the government have no clear policy with regards to polluting commercial vehicles.
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They will keep on blaming cars only as if we are criminals plying around.

The biggest issue of pollution lies elsewhere and it is conveniently ignored. They should ensure more restrictions on Industrial pollution and pollution arising out of illegal excess crop burning.

Instead of waiting and suffer like this, can we not voice our opinion properly instead of just discussing and accepting whatever is forced upon us?
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Thats to be expected when corporates/reps interact with the government to formulate policies which affect the only non-participant, the citizens.
Gadkari says why should one person travel in a car, he can use a scooter. Well, lead away, Mr. Minister. And try an not make it a photo op, and wear a helmet, FFS. As of now, even with increased taxation, the sales of the cars taxed has gone up. Its already looking like a gold-mine. I expect higher taxes in the name of "curbing" sales. Yeah, right.
Meantime, SIAM has got the ear of the government, and whatever loss in sales they make through adhering to new norms, or diverting funds to RnD, will be amply met by the banning of 15 year olds. I am sure the auto bodies have been salivating at the prospect ever since the NGT came out with moronic rule. Now they are rabid. And the one who gets screwed over is the same, again.
Oh, and please dont come up with "At least they are doing something". Doing something does not mean behaving like a monkey in charge. There have been no returns so far, even though the entire population has been facing ever increasing struggles year on year in the last 3 years. Just a little hardship for sometime, then all will be good. Why? Why should there be ANY more hardship? Its not exactly been heaven on earth before that. I pay the taxes, my life should be good. Instead, The SIAM is able to approach the government and tell them that 15 year old cars should be expunged. Is there any representation from the citizens to counter that? There should be, because the one you chose, the minister, obviously isn't.
The citizens elected you to work for them, not to keep passing on the burden to them. That could have been done with any T,D or H. Useless.

And....breathe.....

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I read somewhere that Nitin Gadkari's son in law has an electric vehicle dealership. So no surprises for guessing why the urgent push for Electric vehicle promotion in India.

Bad news for manufacturers of Internal combustion engine who have thought of a long term investment plan in India.

These potato heads almost destroyed the economy, now they are making a fool of auto manufacturers who invested heavily here.

But as usual it's bad news for us minorities. We don't have anyone to voice our opinions. Not sure what is the point in us voting anyways.

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Well, the good news is that no one really listens to the SIAM - they only talk to themselves. We've seen proof of this innumerable times in policy making (annual budgets by the FM, emission norms, 2.0L engine ban, GST on bigger cars etc.).

The SIAM has a voice, but no meaningful platform. Let them keep talking.

In a country where car penetration levels are at a dismal 30 - 40 / 1,000 citizens, it's ridiculous to think of banning 15 year old cars (for reference, some developed countries have 700 cars / 1,000 citizens). Even a 15 year old Maruti 800 can serve as a reliable source of transportation in poorly connected areas.

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Why have manufacturers always pushed the Emission Norms deadlines to a later date?
SIAM will make sure you don't get a single rupee discount when you buy your next cars .

Really - if there is one organization that should be disbanded as soon as possible, it is SIAM. There are hardly any other higher stereotypical and self centered organizations around.
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In a country where car penetration levels are at a dismal 30 - 40 / 1,000 citizens, it's ridiculous to think of banning 15 year old cars (for reference, some developed countries have 700 cars / 1,000 citizens). Even a 15 year old Maruti 800 can serve as a reliable source of transportation in poorly connected areas.

Touché .
While this oft quoted number of car penetration in India in terms of cars per person might make a lot of sense in countries where the actual sum of the denominator is not that large, I don't think it would be rational to use the same yardstick in a country like India, a country of 1.2~1.3 billion people. I don't have numbers for the penetration levels of automobiles in developed countries, we can never even imagine to have anything close that. We just don't have space to accommodate anything like that number.

In my opinion, we should start recognizing that we just cannot keep adding cars to the system at the rate we are doing now. We are adding approx 3 million vehicles last year. In 10 years will we add 30 million more vehicles ? Where will we park them? Let alone drive them. Commute times have increased atleast by a factor of 3 in the last 10 years ? Are we prepared to face an further increase of commute times, parking woes, road rage ?

The government should not ban cars, but definitely dis incentivize ownership of cars. In a place like india, where we already don't have enough space, the sooner we recognize that the car is an incredible in efficient mode of transportation, both in terms of the amount of space occupied, energy etc. People will complain that we have bad public transport, but do we have enough space to run for buses now on the roads !
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It's a catch 22 situation!

In the metros we have an abundance of vehicles, while the rest of the country loves to own a car and are happy with whatever older model they can get- it's low maintenance and a good mileage that's the deciding factor.

Public transport even in a place like Delhi takes more time than driving would.

Civic sense. Can we have orientation programs for those so that people realize basic etiquette of being on the road?

Second would be taking good care of your vehicles. Even if it is a two wheeler. In a free country, we are being told to abandon our freedom for corporate anarchy while they (read the government) could do better with a stronger hand in dealing with situations that still make the country feel third world.
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This requires a thread of its own, mostly. Minister making it extremely clear that their intention is to reduce car sales.

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It would also have been nice if the honorable minister also would have listed what support the government would provide to support this transition rather than just passing the buck to the manufacturer to take care of it . Establishing some ethanol manufacturing units is enough ? And also what will be the contribution of SIAM to this whole cause?
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This whole point of banning cars in ludicrous, basically just another lame attempt By SIAM to generate more car sales and hence more revenue for car manufactures who have no consideration for environment. But..

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In my opinion, we should start recognizing that we just cannot keep adding cars to the system at the rate we are doing now. We are adding approx 3 million vehicles last year. In 10 years will we add 30 million more vehicles ? Where will we park them? Let alone drive them. Commute times have increased atleast by a factor of 3 in the last 10 years ? Are we prepared to face an further increase of commute times, parking woes, road rage ?

The government should not ban cars, but definitely dis incentivize ownership of cars. In a place like india, where we already don't have enough space, the sooner we recognize that the car is an incredible in efficient mode of transportation, both in terms of the amount of space occupied, energy etc. People will complain that we have bad public transport, but do we have enough space to run for buses now on the roads !
Parking space, particularly, has slowly become one big nightmare for most of the car owners in India. As you rightly pointed, approximately three million cars per year get added to our already over crowded roads and with ever increasing competition, new players coming in with targets of selling millions of units - these factors are just not helping. One of our neighbors got murdered last year over a parking space dispute which is such a shame. And mind you, this is not just one off incident which has happened. The situation will only get worst if the government doesn't start taking corrective measures. Petrol/diesel vs. electric cars is another day's debate. It has to be. First, how to control and stabilize the current situation is the need of the hour. People illegally park their cars on the pavements/roads and cause traffic jams and chaos. And there is no one to go to. So hopeless it feels at times .

So what happens when vehicles older than 15 years get banned (it might never happen though)? The dire situation of excessive cars on the roads might get a little better BUT only for a short period of time since a lot of people (who can afford) would buy new cars as we all know how pathetic/unsafe our public transport really is. Those who can't afford new car, would be either forced to use public transport which would result in poor quality of life or buy another used car which might serve them for a few years, eventually not really helping anyone or anything, causing financial distress to lots of people and resulting in pretty much similar pollution levels.

The government needs to catch up with this reality and start working on making public transport cleaner, affordable, safer and practical rather than doing anything of this sort. Only then people, just like in developed countries, would have reasons not to use cars a lot and pollute environment but use public transport.
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In my opinion, we should start recognizing that we just cannot keep adding cars to the system at the rate we are doing now. We are adding approx 3 million vehicles last year. In 10 years will we add 30 million more vehicles ? Where will we park them? Let alone drive them. Commute times have increased atleast by a factor of 3 in the last 10 years ? Are we prepared to face an further increase of commute times, parking woes, road rage ?

The government should not ban cars, but definitely dis incentivize ownership of cars. In a place like india, where we already don't have enough space, the sooner we recognize that the car is an incredible in efficient mode of transportation, both in terms of the amount of space occupied, energy etc. People will complain that we have bad public transport, but do we have enough space to run for buses now on the roads !
While your points are 100% correct and unquestionable, banning "aged" cars or banning cars in general is not the solution at all.

First of all, government cannot and must not have the right to ban ownership of a personal mode of transport. Its simply not ethical to say the least.

Talking about removing an existing mode of transport before providing a realistically usable mode as alternative - is exactly how many other things in this country happen. And its not right.

Trust me - there is always a way to provide excellent & affordable public transport everywhere. The talk of too many cars resulting in no space for buses is absolutely incorrect sorry.

There has to be a will to solve the problem. Its a no-brainer that there are a lot of political, financial benefits at stake that always ensure that public transport issues are not resolved.
In my city and the place where I work - a simple bus or metro transport will reduce the travel time from my home to office (30kms) from 1.5 hours to 30-40 minutes easily. But it will never happen.

1. There is a direct bus from my place to work place by PMPML (the city transport). But its timings are all planned such that never will you reach at the desired office times. All run at weird times. Then there is a guarantee that the horrible bus will break-down once every week when you travel in it. Also - the ticket cost is quite more than 50% of how much I spend daily by car! So? Then no occupancy. Then use this cause to show that there is no use & then discontinue that route.

2. There are thousands of illegal dangerous modes of transport like Minidors and Piagio APEs carrying 15 people at a time on this same route. All of these are obviously very important as vote banks or "financial contributors" somewhere. So their existence is paramount. Not the life of those using this dangerous mode.

3. There are currently thousands of new apartments available at the office work place. Rates practically same as city areas when there is no proper road infrastructure, no stores, no medical facilities and no pure drinking water. Almost all builders with known political connections with big names.

4. If I can reach from the city to office in 30 minutes, why will anyone buy these unworthy apartments at sky-touching costs?

5. There is a single narrow arterial road with hardly any alternatives for a huge city like industrial area. There is no chance of its widening thanks to high tension electricity towers newly erected on both sides of it when it was already evident that the road is insufficient already.

So - no, public transport MUST not improve, people MUST get stuck in traffic jams for at least 1 hour daily.

Thats the reason of the cars on the road sir & banning them is not the solution.

Yes - I work in the highly advertised but unworthy of the hype Hinjewadi IT Park in Pune.

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Today, was reading Nitin Gadkare's rant on all automobiles (Petrol,diesel) in a leading newspaper. Buyers are going to be petrified from now on to purchase anything other than electric. Or they could be compelled with strong arm measures!
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Today, was reading Nitin Gadkare's rant on all automobiles (Petrol,diesel) in a leading newspaper. Buyers are going to be petrified from now on to purchase anything other than electric. Or they could be compelled with strong arm measures!
The rant is correct direction. Threat to auto makers to seriously work on future ready vehicles moving away from fossil fuels.

Consumers shouldn't & wouldn't worry much. Things take more than a lifetime to actually change even if started right after such rants.
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I think I may come across as the only one who deems this idea is good albeit if implemented properly......
The bit in bold is where the cookie is.

Everyone (or at least the majority) would agree we need more public transport and less private vehicle ownership, but nothing the government has done so far seems to indicate any serious efforts to that end.

Absurd taxes on hybrid cars, joke pollution check/control norms, delaying BS6/Euro6 implementation, doing nothing to fix the horrendously leaky power grid while pledging to go all-electric by 2030, doing nothing to fix horrible road and traffic quality that significantly contribute to pollution, I could go on all day.

All talk and no walk, or rather, all walk in the opposite direction.

P.S. Needless to mention, any such regulation will only affect private vehicle ownership. Try banning polluting public/commercial vehicles and watch the drama unfold.

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