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Old 5th December 2006, 13:25   #61
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People who dont see the Verna on the road,buy the Fiesta.Those who dont see the Fiesta,buy the Aveo and those who dont see the Aveo,buy the NHC.

If you dont see any of the these cars on the road buy a Alto,the best selling car in India.
: Yes, we see (only) what we want to see....
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Old 5th December 2006, 13:30   #62
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No one is comparing Verna with any other car (Aveo, NHC or Fiesta). Atleast I am not. My comment was only about not seeing enough Vernas on the road to substantiate the figures put out by Hyundai.

That exactly was my point.
Yes, I agree with you that some other people are comparing Verna with other brands launched earlier, and even with cars in other segments. Reg. the no.of cars on the road, I was not here when the Fiesta was launched last november. So dont have an idea how much numbers to expect after two months of launch of a new model.
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I am sure there are tons more people on this forum who believe that you are extremely biased towards Hyundai than the ones who believe that I am biased towards Honda.

You, dear sir, are a classic case of how easy it is to build a negative brand equity and you will find that it is very difficult to come out of this and build a positive brand equity for yourself.

If you are ready to engage in objective discussion about cars and brand value, then lets talk.
Point taken. Thanks very much
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Vernas sales must be yet to pick up. Hyundai does have a habit of giving sales figures very early. They may not be true but we will definately see more Vernas on the road in due course.

For the recor since its launch I have just seen 3 Vernas one of which is in my building itself

Not bad looking from the from but the rear doesnt appeal to me at all
Well Ford was telling Fiesta sold more than 5000 units in the initial month. But when did we start seeing the cars actually?

These figures are nationwide figures. Also the cars are not alone bought by people residing in cities. People from villages and small towns who can afford to buy these will also buy. We may not see them.

The figures given by Ford for Fiesta and Hyundai for Verna according to me is true. How can companies give inflated sales figures in their own websites? It gonna affect them negatively with respect to the taxes and other stuffs.....
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Is Verna selling as much as Civic? Because I see loads of Civics but hardly any Vernas till date. In fact I have only seen 1 CRDi so far.
Good point Boom, I had been wondering the same thing but then the Civic has been on sale for nearly 5 months now so we're seeing lots of them.

About the Verna, it's been bothering me too. Hyundai's constantly quoting good figures but the actual numbers visible are low in Delhi/Moradabad too. I can't really understand why this is happening & the most logical answer seems to be inflation of figures. But let's wait a couple of months more & then see whether the numbers are true or not.
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I was speaking to an industry expert on the topic of inflated sales figures. He insisted that, with the strict regulations and SIAM, it is impossible to a company to boast. If at all:

1. They would keep a 10% margin of error.

2. They would include exports in the publicised sales figures.
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I was speaking to an industry expert on the topic of inflated sales figures. He insisted that, with the strict regulations and SIAM, it is impossible to a company to boast. If at all:

1. They would keep a 10% margin of error.

2. They would include exports in the publicised sales figures.
The second point is quite a factor. But Verna is not for exports. So if SIAM is right then hyundai is also right in the sales figures with that 10% margin of error.
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The second point is quite a factor. But Verna is not for exports. So if SIAM is right then hyundai is also right in the sales figures with that 10% margin of error.
I think we're debating the Verna sales numbers here......the overall sales figures would include the other models (and their exports) so how are you arriving at an accurate number of Verna's sold??????? You are assuming.......because SIAM figures do not give the modelwise breakup IIRC
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Maybe Verna is selling well in smaller towns and other places where there are no tbhpians to report.
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2. They would include exports in the publicised sales figures.
It is a known fact especially among the auto-mags that Hyundai inflates their sales figures by including their Export figures in the Total cars sold figure & not defining it clearly. Not sure if the Verna is being exported though.

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Maybe Verna is selling well in smaller towns and other places where there are no tbhpians to report.
I live part-time in a very affluent small town & there are only 3 Verna's here including one bought by a friend on my insistence. Comparatively there are about 10-15 Civics.

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Maybe Verna is selling well in smaller towns and other places where there are no tbhpians to report.
Thats the point I made just before my previous message. It's quite possible.
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I think we're debating the Verna sales numbers here......the overall sales figures would include the other models (and their exports) so how are you arriving at an accurate number of Verna's sold??????? You are assuming.......because SIAM figures do not give the modelwise breakup IIRC
Well this thread is full of assumptions. You can also assume. Or just confirm this factor too with SIAM.
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I live part-time in a very affluent small town
Ishan, you calling Delhi a small town.....??????

By the way, Adarsh, you can now multi-quote posts with the new enhancements on the forum so you can address many people together

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Ishan, you calling Delhi a small town.....??????

By the way, Adarsh, you can now multi-quote posts with the new enhancements on the forum so you can address many people together
No no multiquotes this is more than enough. And what will get in supporting manufacturers be it hyundai or anything? If they give me a job with a good salary will definitely try....
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What would you term as successful for any car model? Is it the number of cars sold within 3 months of launch? In that case the Palio could be termed a huge huge success. But all of us know how the car has fared ever since the initial euphoria. Similarly, let us consider the new cars in the C segment(not entry level) i.e. the NHC ZX, Fiesta, Aveo and Verna.
According to me its too early to judge whether the Verna is a success. Of the other three, the Aveo sells a few hundred per month, the Fiesta after the initial fireworks, sells around 1500 a month(and the numbers are moving south) while the NHC ZX continues to sell at an average of over 3000 per month and that too it has no diesel in the range.

Today there are substantial discounts/freebies being doled out on the Fiesta (including the diesel) which is not the case with the NHC. My prediction is the Verna will suffer the same fate as the Fiesta. And what will happen when the new Baleno is launched is anybody's guess as I don't see Maruti making the same mistake as it did with the current Baleno.
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