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Old 5th December 2017, 21:09   #31
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The Scorpio Petrol went like a rocket, but it delivered 6 kmpl then. That was the prime reason it didn't find a market here, apart from a lot of design constraints.

This one raises a lot of questions in my mind. Which emission norm does the petrol version fulfil?

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The Scorpio Petrol was a Proper Petrol motor borrowed from Renault isn't it? This one looks like a Petrol Adaptation of the mHawk Diesel.
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Firstly, I am surprised at the amount of torque these guys are getting out of this (Most likely Non turbo), petrol engine. Even for a turbo petrol its quite a lot given the power its belting out. Or maybe they have deliberately tuned it to give less power but enough torque to pull such a big car.

At this price,its mostly similar to W9 AT , but a lac cheaper than Diesel. For primarily city drivers in a place like NCR, it still does make sense and I think thats what Mahindra is thinking too, playing safe by offering just one Trim and Transmission. And at this price, Everything from a Creta to Compass, and even Tuscon can be targeted.
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None of the petrol SUVs launched in India were able to make a dent in the market when compared to the diesel counterpart.
And the mileage figures would suck big time looking at the engine specs (though i feel the diesel will still be better to drive), hence doubling running costs.

Most of the sales for this variant for sure will not happen in India. Going by the left hand drive images of the car, it further justifies that fact.

Only time will tell how the Indian market will react to this.
Fully agree! No big petrol has sold in half decent numbers in India. Don't see why this would. Not sure they would even launch it here! Particularly I understand that this has the 2.2 derived engine block, which would be probably not as efficient as a ground up designed petrol engine.

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Old 5th December 2017, 21:38   #34
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You completely stole the words out of my mouth.
Also, I really think that the target audience for the XUV arenít up for the petrol option, as they buy this vehicle to rack up miles & travel long distances.
This is merely Mahindra being a puppet to the NGT ruling, and thus staying on the safer side.
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Bit surprised at the cost, considering its sold much cheaper in the UAE & Qatar. It should indeed have been at least a Lakh cheaper. The torque number is still a bit of surprise. I am still trying to dig around and see how they are managing it. However, the hp output is quite low for 2.2L block. Maybe Ill shoot out a test drive quick review over the next few days. However initial impressions, it's not bad as everyone makes it out to be.
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Bit surprised at the cost, considering its sold much cheaper in the UAE & Qatar. It should indeed have been at least a Lakh cheaper.
It's the TAX structure that's responsible for price difference primarily. In India the GST payable to an SUV is at the tune of 50%

Also, as said in the earlier post, I feel the Petrol version will be a success in its own way.
Price wise W9 AT is dearer than this petrol automatic, the nearest similar diesel model, which is the common practice.
However the following things would be the deal clincher:
1. Positioning against other petrol SUVs like Jeep, Creta, Captur and no-Hexa
2. Pleasure to drive factor (smoothness, power delivery/acceleration (140 HP & 320 Nm @ 2000-3000 rpm only!!), Cabin noise absence
3. And at the end, economy: Rs/km. Why at the end because an SUV enthusiast values something else more than cost...

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This is amazing - 140HP & 320Nm @ 2000-3000 rpm form an 4 Cylinder inline Petrol Engine considering a Toyota Highlander - 270HP@6200 rpm, 248Nm Torque@4700 rpm, that too from a 3.5L V6 Engine.
Surely it has lot of usable torque for Bumper-to-Bumper traffic in City as well as for minor offroading.
I suspect, it might affect the highway performance.
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Indeed, compare the prices with W6 AT, W9 MT and W9 AT, neither it makes sense, nor it has more features on offer than W9 (W9 gets a sunroof and a reversing camera, even if the AT is a lac costlier).
I was going to say the same thing sir. But I guess if someone plans to buy W9-AT, they might consider this petrol. The main reason being the increasing pollution by diesel cars. Just guessing though

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Features (last column on the right):

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The feature list for the petrol doesn't make sense. Mahindra is giving only one variant, but with features equivalent to(and even some less than)W9. Whats more, they dont even give 6 airbags in the petrol. This translates to-if someone want to buy the non polluting petrol, this means he has to compromise on safety(and obviously other features) ?

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140 BHP @ 4500 RPM, 320 Nm @ 2000-3000 RPM.

As expected the powerband is ultra narrow and is diesel like. The engine loses about 31% of peak torque as early as 4500 RPM.

You already have about 134 BHP by 3000 RPM. Revving from 3000 to 4500 RPM hardly gives any power increase. Then 4500 to 6200 RPM (redline) results in power drop.

Mahindra needs some serious help with petrol engines. I mean hitting power plateau at 3000 RPM in a petrol? Many diesels start hitting power plateau later on in their power band!

I see absolutely no reason to buy this one (other than the fear of diesel ban).

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It's the TAX structure that's responsible for price difference primarily. In India the GST payable to an SUV is at the tune of 50%

Also, as said in the earlier post, I feel the Petrol version will be a success in its own way.
Price wise W9 AT is dearer than this petrol automatic, the nearest similar diesel model, which is the common practice.
However the following things would be the deal clincher:
1. Positioning against other petrol SUVs like Jeep, Creta, Captur and no-Hexa
2. Pleasure to drive factor (smoothness, power delivery/acceleration (140 HP & 320 Nm @ 2000-3000 rpm only!!), Cabin noise absence
3. And at the end, economy: Rs/km. Why at the end because an SUV enthusiast values something else more than cost...
Just a counter question as food for thought. A locally manufactured Indian brand vehicle, locally sourced components (majority of the components from India - high localization), sold in India would definitely be cheaper than an imported car, with freight charges, handling charges, local duty and exclusive distributor margins sold in Dubai. That said, wouldn't the input tax and lower pricing help them make the price competitive. The 15.5L INR is ex-showroom, thus I felt it was expensive. I agree when the state and other taxes apply it becomes worse but if they had cut down the ex-showroom price, it would have made it a sweeter deal and could find more takers.

I agree with you on the smoothness and power delivery, if you dont stomp the accelerator and expect wonders. However, in my experience, it didnt feel as powerful or maybe it was just felt too heavy(i could be biased by other lighter vehicles in the Gulf). but compared to some of the other unknown brands out here, the vehicle is very good. The 6 speed is also quite smooth and fast, but not without occasional confusion if accelerated too much. Overall, I felt compared to the diesel, the NVH is much better.
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Would be curious to know and read the review of the First TBHPian who buys the petrol XUV.

As they say the proof of the pudding is in the driving.. So if indeed someone sticks his neck out and buys a petrol XUV and loves it, and get a good FE. then such a review would help.

May be to get the ball rolling Mahindra can give one a half price to a TBHPian.

A TBHP review of just the engine as we do sometimes would also be interesting. (As was done for the 400 Nm Storme variant when it came out.)

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The success or failure of any vehicle boils down to the question "kitna deti hai". Brilliant power or looks or for that matter, technology appeal to the odd enthusiast. But for a maker that doesn't translate into ROI.
Can we have the mileage figures for this on the table before we declare it a dud or blaze
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Gurgaon dealers didn't have any petrol available and weren't interested in selling that too. They were happily promoting a lac off on old Scorpio.
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