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Old 17th January 2007, 19:00   #136
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Mods i guess this thread can be closed as review is up here.
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Old 17th January 2007, 21:45   #137
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I wonder why they advertise the measly 70 bhp engine (which incidentally is the same as what the TDi develops - are Tata the only ones that actually dont gain power with new technology?) as "silent and high-torque". "Silent" in comparison to what? The Indica? Lets see how 'silent' this tappet-less engine really is.

As for hi-torque, my bike makes more torque than this one.
On top of it, the XL has a kerb weight of 1185 kgs as compared to that of the current Indigo (normal wheelbase) which is 1070 kgs. The weight increase is expected because of the extended wheelbase and weight of the extra equipment. But, the extra 105-odd kilos are not going to help in the performance area. We can discount the area of fuel economy, as it will be higher in case of the DICOR than that of the current TDi - comparing engines only.
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Old 17th January 2007, 22:08   #138
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Indigo XL .. I saw this in today's paper. Lengthy like a limo. Dont know what tata is upto!
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-16 valve 1396 cc Dicor engine with DOHC
-Direct injection, Delphi multec, 2nd gen 1600 bar Common Rail Fuel Injection System
-32 bit microprocessor
- Variable Geometric Turbo charger
- Tappet less engine with haudraulic lash adjuster.
- Better EGR
- Drive by wire technology
- ECU controlled drivability functions
- Close loop combustion, APC monitoring.
16V+2nd gen Common rail+ VGT + intercooler = only 70 bhp/140 Nm. Something does not sound right. Hyundai makes 110 bhp and 240 Nm using similar tech and just 100 cc more displacement.

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Old 18th January 2007, 00:12   #140
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16V+2nd gen Common rail+ VGT + intercooler = only 70 bhp/140 Nm. Something does not sound right. Hyundai makes 110 bhp and 240 Nm using similar tech and just 100 cc more displacement.
Right - esp when the current non-Dicor engine develops the same power and almost comparable (135nm) Torque.

There's nothing official about the 16v and VGT part though - none of their brochures mention it. Me thinks its a 8v, non-VGT engine - still disappointing in comparison to the current engine, however.
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Spoke to a guy in concorde and he says TATA has also launched Marina DICOR. Anybody has heard of this?
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hmmm....

me thinks TATA has erred on this one. doesn't look exciting enough w.r.t. engine spec at all.

additionally, does anyone have a hands on evaluation on the fit-finish / general build quality ??

for the price, it better be good.

have to say again though, that 70 bhp engine *is* a let down.
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hmmm....

me thinks TATA has erred on this one. doesn't look exciting enough w.r.t. engine spec at all.

additionally, does anyone have a hands on evaluation on the fit-finish / general build quality ??

for the price, it better be good.

have to say again though, that 70 bhp engine *is* a let down.
Probably a dumb question, but is it possible that TATA's might have intentionally de-tuned the engine, keeping in mind the Fuel Efficiency Quotient that we Indians have??

Or is it true that Delphi's Common Rail Fuel Pump does not produce as much pressure as a Bosch pump??

For the Tuners on this Forum, who have already tested this vehicle: Is it possible to extract more power by Tuning the engine..
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I think even the fiesta diesel uses Delphos Common rail..and it is quite torquier and FE.
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Probably a dumb question, but is it possible that TATA's might have intentionally de-tuned the engine, keeping in mind the Fuel Efficiency Quotient that we Indians have??

Or is it true that Delphi's Common Rail Fuel Pump does not produce as much pressure as a Bosch pump??

For the Tuners on this Forum, who have already tested this vehicle: Is it possible to extract more power by Tuning the engine..
i do not think de-tuning the engine to restrict power is always good for fuel efficiency. If you think about it, you will probably end up high revving a low-powered engine as opposed to gently cruising on a higher powered engine at a lower rpm for the same desired speed. In such cases, the higher powered engine might well offer better FE.
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I think the diesel version is not powerful and torquey enough for this type of car.people usually when they buy a sedan they want at least some power and only 70 hp for 1150 kg , which means 1390 kg lwhen oaded with 4 people of 60 kg each .Features are alright.Have some luxury equipment.not bad even ac at the back like on the E class or S class.Good deal car only need to remap the ECU to aim 100hp with the Dicor
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Tata Motors to introduce CRDi technology in Indica, Indigo

Having introduced CRDi (Common Rail Direct Injection) engine in its Indigo XL sedan, Tata Motors has decided to introduce the technology in all diesel models of its Indigo and Indica cars within next 4-6 months.
"We will be introducing CRDi technology in our hatchback segment Indica and sedan segment Indigo cars during next 4 to 6 months," Tata Motors Limited, HeadCar Product Group (Passenger Car), Nitin Seth said here today.
"The Common rail technology is certainly going to enhance the fuel efficiency of a passenger car significantly against normal diesel version car."
Seth was here to launch the company's new Indigo XL, an extended wheelbase, sedan.
Regarding the Rs 4,000 crore worth joint venture with Fiat Auto for manufacturing cars and engines, Seth said the company expects the production of cars to commence within the next 6-8 months at Pune.
"We would jointly manufacture Fiat cars that are presently available in Europe. In addition to it, we would be manufacturing CRDi engine here for Tata passenger cars," he said.
The company with a turnover of Rs 25,000 crore also plans to change its existing platform of its cars including Indigo, Indica, Marina etc within the next two years.
"As per our policy, we do change our platform after a gap of 8 to 9 years and now we would introduce our new platform of our passenger cars in next 2 years," he said.





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On top of it, the XL has a kerb weight of 1185 kgs as compared to that of the current Indigo (normal wheelbase) which is 1070 kgs. The weight increase is expected because of the extended wheelbase and weight of the extra equipment. But, the extra 105-odd kilos are not going to help in the performance area. We can discount the area of fuel economy, as it will be higher in case of the DICOR than that of the current TDi - comparing engines only.
Besides in the diesel segment, 1-2 KMPL here and there don't matter as in case of petrol.
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Old 18th January 2007, 16:59   #149
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With the launch of Indigo XL, TATA will be using it as a harbinger of dicorised versions of indigo and indica to come.

since the news states that indigo and indicar will be available in another month's time TATA's perhaps are not expecting XL to sell in huge numbers and hence the premium pricing.

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Old 18th January 2007, 18:20   #150
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Spoke to a guy in concorde and he says TATA has also launched Marina DICOR. Anybody has heard of this?
Yeah they have launched Marina Dicor. I saw adverts in the showroom of the same.

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