Tata ACE van - Team-BHP

spadival · 18th January 2007, 14:11

Dont know if this is old news, but I saw a Tata ACE Van (looks like Maruti Omni) being tested on NH4. I wonder why they camouflaged it .. probably because its ugly

I guess they will sell like hot cakes when Tata eventually launches it in the market... Just imagine a tad bigger diesel Maruti Omni !!

sumitkalindi · 18th January 2007, 14:17

maybe we will get a predecessor to the 1 lakh tata car. btw to me it looks some sort of cute. surely beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

salilpawar1 · 18th January 2007, 14:20

The same van's spy pic is featured in some older issue of Overdrive. This thing is definitely gonna give the Omni and 3-wheelers a run for their money. Plus it's a diesel.

Dippy · 18th January 2007, 14:21

The Tata ACE pick up is a big hit in the domestic tempo market and quite a load carrier. The van version might be a substitute to those 7 seven seater diesel rickshaws from Force

spadival · 18th January 2007, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Dippy

The Tata ACE pick up is a big hit in the domestic tempo market and quite a load carrier. The van version might be a substitute to those 7 seven seater diesel rickshaws from Force

Exactly my thoughts.. I am sick and tired of overtaking those slow moving Force rickshaws (engine looks and sounds like a bolted on water pump).

salilpawar1 · 18th January 2007, 18:00

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Originally Posted by spadival

Exactly my thoughts.. I am sick and tired of overtaking those slow moving Force rickshaws (engine looks and sounds like a bolted on water pump).

I hope the silent Tata Ace will replace the thaka-thaka-thaka-thaka (that is the verbal description of their sound) sounding clatter of the diesel 3-wheeler 7-seater rickshaws.

Desert fox · 18th January 2007, 18:55

This van is based on the ACE platform,it has a de-tuned indica engine and also indica gear-box.It will be a product ot TATA CV division and is to be launched mid 2008.even a A/c version is being tested.....is what was revealed by reliable sources from TATA ASO-Bangalore.

Mpower · 18th January 2007, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Desert fox

This van is based on the ACE platform,it has a de-tuned indica engine and also indica gear-box.It will be a product ot TATA CV division and is to be launched mid 2008.even a A/c version is being tested.....is what was revealed by reliable sources from TATA ASO-Bangalore.

You mean its a 4 cylinder 1.4 liter engine.

karan561 · 18th January 2007, 20:54

You are right ,ACE may be one of the platforms suggested in TATA's 1 lakh car project ........

kkr2k2 · 18th January 2007, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Mpower

You mean its a 4 cylinder 1.4 liter engine.

I think ACE has 2 cylinder .7 L deisel engine.
I think the same will come into this new one.
How about 3 cylinder 1L deisel engine???
BTW, 3 cylinder deisel engines?? is it a correct configuration w.r.t. vibrations?
Never heard about such a configuration. (i know M800 and old accent crdi are 3 cylinder engines)

Desert fox · 19th January 2007, 00:00

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Originally Posted by Mpower

You mean its a 4 cylinder 1.4 liter engine.

Thats true.Power out-put is lower than indica and share's a lot from indica,

Product orientation course's(for dealer's and Bs3 TASS's) have begun in pune and it is also being Tested with a/c.

ACE carrier has 2 cylinder 700cc engine and is a rather crude(but tough and reliable) engine,This on other had is being projected against the likes of Maruti Omni,

So the theory is thus-indica being heavier is giving 14+ in city,this engine being de-tuned for mileage will be noticably more,

Is a diesel and will be priced v.attractively,

Will be a urban work horse,

Think folks a vehicle bigger than Maruti van with an adequatly powerful DIESEL engine and a mouth-watering price...

man23ish · 19th January 2007, 10:15

Hey what about the safety factor of the Ace Van. Anything in that segment is bound to be a huge hit. Especially considering the diesel factor.

A/C in the Ace Van might be a difficult proposition considering that the engine will be within the cabin itself and will take a lot more power to cool the engine..

On a second thought, the AC might itself serve as an intercooler (in the broad sense) for the engine..

directinjection · 19th January 2007, 11:24

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Originally Posted by kkr2k2

BTW, 3 cylinder deisel engines?? is it a correct configuration w.r.t. vibrations?
Never heard about such a configuration. (i know M800 and old accent crdi are 3 cylinder engines)

What's wrong with 3 cylinders? Three are anyday better than two (Ace)and two are better than one (Ace's competitors). Increasing the no. of cylinders will smoothen the cycle, lowering NVH. I doubt if Tata will provide noise-reducing CRDI technology in Ace, for cost considerations.

Never heard anyone complaining about the noise/vibration level of Hyundai Accent 3 cylinder CRDI engine, other than British journalists! I had read a review of Getz diesel 1.5 CRDI in Auto Car UK and it criticised the engine as very noisy. Quite predictable since it wasn't a British car.

risga · 19th January 2007, 13:15

Please remember that Maruti is positioning its Omni as a goods carrier and now provides a CNG option as well. So, Tata might also target the commercial segment to begin rather than market it as a peoples car. As far as fuel cost goes, CNG is cheaper than diesel; so too early to write-off anybody. Infact, this niche segment may expand, for all we know.

man23ish · 19th January 2007, 15:08

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Originally Posted by risga

Please remember that Maruti is positioning its Omni as a goods carrier and now provides a CNG option as well. So, Tata might also target the commercial segment to begin rather than market it as a peoples car. As far as fuel cost goes, CNG is cheaper than diesel; so too early to write-off anybody. Infact, this niche segment may expand, for all we know.

Off-Topic !!

But CNG is not available in the Rural Markets and although people have successfully used the LPG kits in the Omni, it isn't very safe to use LPG in this segment of vehicles.

So the question turns to the availability of Fuel.. And in this case Diesel Rules in India. Besides if you look at all the new cars coming out in India, its going to be a Diesel economy man rather than Petrol Economy.

Enough Said, I don't want to turn this into a CNG Vs Diesel Discussion..

18th January 2007, 14:11	#1 (permalink)
spadival Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Pune Posts: 1,520 View My Garage	Tata ACE van Dont know if this is old news, but I saw a Tata ACE Van (looks like Maruti Omni) being tested on NH4. I wonder why they camouflaged it .. probably because its ugly I guess they will sell like hot cakes when Tata eventually launches it in the market... Just imagine a tad bigger diesel Maruti Omni !!

18th January 2007, 14:17	#2 (permalink)
sumitkalindi BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Shillong Posts: 276	maybe we will get a predecessor to the 1 lakh tata car. btw to me it looks some sort of cute. surely beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. Last edited by sumitkalindi : 18th January 2007 at 14:19.

18th January 2007, 14:20	#3 (permalink)
salilpawar1 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (MH-01) Posts: 451 View My Garage	The same van's spy pic is featured in some older issue of Overdrive. This thing is definitely gonna give the Omni and 3-wheelers a run for their money. Plus it's a diesel. __________________ *Petrol Indicas are rare and those with an EFF EFF EEE are rarer!*

18th January 2007, 14:21	#4 (permalink)
Dippy Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 4,509 View My Garage	The Tata ACE pick up is a big hit in the domestic tempo market and quite a load carrier. The van version might be a substitute to those 7 seven seater diesel rickshaws from Force __________________ My name is Adrian Sutil. You can call me ADDY - Force India dippy@team-bhp.com

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18th January 2007, 18:55	#7 (permalink)
Desert fox BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: bangalore Posts: 210	This van is based on the ACE platform,it has a de-tuned indica engine and also indica gear-box.It will be a product ot TATA CV division and is to be launched mid 2008.even a A/c version is being tested.....is what was revealed by reliable sources from TATA ASO-Bangalore.

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karan561 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 362 View My Garage	You are right ,ACE may be one of the platforms suggested in TATA's 1 lakh car project ........

19th January 2007, 10:15	#12 (permalink)
man23ish BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 556	Hey what about the safety factor of the Ace Van. Anything in that segment is bound to be a huge hit. Especially considering the diesel factor. A/C in the Ace Van might be a difficult proposition considering that the engine will be within the cabin itself and will take a lot more power to cool the engine.. On a second thought, the AC might itself serve as an intercooler (in the broad sense) for the engine..

19th January 2007, 13:15	#14 (permalink)
risga BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 127	Please remember that Maruti is positioning its Omni as a goods carrier and now provides a CNG option as well. So, Tata might also target the commercial segment to begin rather than market it as a peoples car. As far as fuel cost goes, CNG is cheaper than diesel; so too early to write-off anybody. Infact, this niche segment may expand, for all we know.