Hyundai blows whistle on small car norm - Team-BHP

navdeep · 24th January 2007, 11:09

In what signals an emerging battle among small car manufacturers, Hyundai Motors India Ltd (HMIL) has asked the country's apex auto association to act against moves by “some pressure groups” to change the definition of a small car.

A change in definition could jeopardise the Korean company’s plans to launch a premium 1.1-litre hatchback car codenamed Pa and lead to huge revenue losses on account of higher excise obligations.

In a letter written to the director general of the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers, HMIL Managing Director H S Lheem alleged that vested interests were lobbying the Ministry of Heavy Industry to reduce the stipulated length limit for a small car from the current 4 m to 3.8 m.

Small cars, which include the Santro, Maruti Alto and Wagon R, attract an excise duty of 16 per cent, against 24 per cent for large cars.

Lheem’s letter went on to say, “The entire effort and investment that has gone into making a particular model [would] go waste” as a result of any change in norm.

Source : Business Standard Ltd.

theMAG · 24th January 2007, 11:16

I wonder if Maruti and Tata arent sleeping with each other

Su-47 · 24th January 2007, 11:46

- Getz doesn't qualify for the lower excise duty because of it has an engine bigger than 1.2L.
- GM spent money and effort to change the UVA engine to less than 1.2L, so that they can save on excise duty.

How can Hyundai digest (possible) sales of U-VA when they haven't been able to sell Getz. If you cant win the game, change the rules...

tsk1979 · 24th January 2007, 12:09

Hyundai is not asking for changing the rules, they want the rules to remain the same.
Getz is 3.81 meters and if rules are changed the getz diesel will lose out from excise duty benefits.
Manufacturers spent a lot of money after 4m/1.2/1.5ltr rule was made and put their roadmaps in place. Changing the norm right now would mean all wasted effort.
The ministry could have made 3.8m from the beginning(its what europe calls A class), but since they didn't they better stick to it.

deepakhon · 24th January 2007, 12:40

Indian policy makers look so fickle minded. They keep changing policies at their whims and fancies. I do not see anything wrong in Hyundai blowing whistles here. When the manufacturers spend huge amount of money in R&D to make use of the sops, they feel cheated if such a policy change comes up all of a sudden. It is not just Hyundai, but lot of other manufacturers who will feel the pinch. For example, Ford and Fiat are planning to get their Fusion and Grande Punto models to the 4 m mark. They will feel the pinch too.

The policies should be well thought of before announcing and after announcing them, they should not change them so often. It is just a bunch of few vested interests who are trying to lobby for such a change.

mahadev_kc · 24th January 2007, 13:21

When they change to 3.8 mts, obviously, the maruti is benefitted and inturn it will help govt to make more money towards maruti share sale.

After they change to 3.8 mts(if at all), then only, 800, ZEN, swift, wagonr, indica and new fiat palio (1.1 lts) will avail the benefits...
There should be some level playing field in the industry..

Aveo UVA is > 3.8 mts, getz > 3.8 mts..

Equus · 24th January 2007, 14:23

Lets not be so harsh on our policy makers - its just lobbying by some manufacturers and nothing more than that. My take is that it wont be considered.

hellspawn · 24th January 2007, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equus

Lets not be so harsh on our policy makers - its just lobbying by some manufacturers and nothing more than that. My take is that it wont be considered.

.the govt wont make changes in the policies so soon.

navdeep · 24th January 2007, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by navdeep

“some pressure groups” to change the definition of a small car.

I feel there is some bias or help to maruti.

sbasak · 24th January 2007, 14:57

What a farce!

Increasing the dimension of a small car is acceptable. It shows maturity and economic advancement of the industry.

But how can they reduce the size?

benbsb29 · 24th January 2007, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellspawn

.the govt wont make changes in the policies so soon.

Yeah.... have to agree with you... that wud mean more work for them..

mahadev_kc · 24th January 2007, 16:02

Agree with you..

24th January 2007, 11:09	#1 (permalink)
navdeep BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 856	Hyundai blows whistle on small car norm In what signals an emerging battle among small car manufacturers, Hyundai Motors India Ltd (HMIL) has asked the country's apex auto association to act against moves by “some pressure groups” to change the definition of a small car. A change in definition could jeopardise the Korean company’s plans to launch a premium 1.1-litre hatchback car codenamed Pa and lead to huge revenue losses on account of higher excise obligations. In a letter written to the director general of the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers, HMIL Managing Director H S Lheem alleged that vested interests were lobbying the Ministry of Heavy Industry to reduce the stipulated length limit for a small car from the current 4 m to 3.8 m. Small cars, which include the Santro, Maruti Alto and Wagon R, attract an excise duty of 16 per cent, against 24 per cent for large cars. Lheem’s letter went on to say, “The entire effort and investment that has gone into making a particular model [would] go waste” as a result of any change in norm. Source : Business Standard Ltd. __________________ eXpect the uneXpected \| Diesel For Men

24th January 2007, 11:16	#2 (permalink)
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 11,275 View My Garage	Hyundai is not asking for changing the rules, they want the rules to remain the same. Getz is 3.81 meters and if rules are changed the getz diesel will lose out from excise duty benefits. Manufacturers spent a lot of money after 4m/1.2/1.5ltr rule was made and put their roadmaps in place. Changing the norm right now would mean all wasted effort. The ministry could have made 3.8m from the beginning(its what europe calls A class), but since they didn't they better stick to it. __________________ Reclaimed, wrung dry and recycled....!

24th January 2007, 12:40	#5 (permalink)
deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,219	Indian policy makers look so fickle minded. They keep changing policies at their whims and fancies. I do not see anything wrong in Hyundai blowing whistles here. When the manufacturers spend huge amount of money in R&D to make use of the sops, they feel cheated if such a policy change comes up all of a sudden. It is not just Hyundai, but lot of other manufacturers who will feel the pinch. For example, Ford and Fiat are planning to get their Fusion and Grande Punto models to the 4 m mark. They will feel the pinch too. The policies should be well thought of before announcing and after announcing them, they should not change them so often. It is just a bunch of few vested interests who are trying to lobby for such a change. __________________ Deepak Honnalli.

24th January 2007, 13:21	#6 (permalink)
mahadev_kc BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 248 View My Garage	When they change to 3.8 mts, obviously, the maruti is benefitted and inturn it will help govt to make more money towards maruti share sale. After they change to 3.8 mts(if at all), then only, 800, ZEN, swift, wagonr, indica and new fiat palio (1.1 lts) will avail the benefits... There should be some level playing field in the industry.. Aveo UVA is > 3.8 mts, getz > 3.8 mts.. __________________ Cheers, Gudda ------ Some drive cars, I drive the Palio FIAT Palio 1.6 Sports \| APR-2006 \| 30000 Kms

24th January 2007, 11:46	#3 (permalink)
Su-47 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 488	- Getz doesn't qualify for the lower excise duty because of it has an engine bigger than 1.2L. - GM spent money and effort to change the UVA engine to less than 1.2L, so that they can save on excise duty. How can Hyundai digest (possible) sales of U-VA when they haven't been able to sell Getz. If you cant win the game, change the rules...

24th January 2007, 14:23	#7 (permalink)
Equus BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 333	Lets not be so harsh on our policy makers - its just lobbying by some manufacturers and nothing more than that. My take is that it wont be considered.

24th January 2007, 14:57	#10 (permalink)
sbasak BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CCU-LTN Posts: 591 View My Garage	What a farce! Increasing the dimension of a small car is acceptable. It shows maturity and economic advancement of the industry. But how can they reduce the size? __________________ Gearbox acts as torque multiplier.

24th January 2007, 16:02	#12 (permalink)
mahadev_kc BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 248 View My Garage	Agree with you.. Last edited by mahadev_kc : 24th January 2007 at 16:06.

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