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Old 9th February 2007, 11:29   #16
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There are two types of issues to Biodiesel
Perceived and Real
Oil company issue is somewhat perceived. They are not interested in it for obvious reasons but they are not bumping of scientists to prevent progress. In India situation is better. Oil companies here make a lot of income from refineries as opposed to crude, like the US. So They have interest in biodiesel too, as it means more income from their refineries
As for the real issue, there is not so much Jathropa being grown yet. Sure it grows on barren land, but its not really the holy grail which will solve fuel problem It will just ease of the load
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Old 9th February 2007, 19:16   #17
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For now I think only large fleets like RTCs can set up their own biodiesel network, but this is like the early days of Auto LPG. If the govt provides incentive and tax break, it will catch on.
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Old 25th March 2008, 15:59   #18
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Thumbs up Bolero and Scorpio Micro Hybrid in June

Mahindra and Mahindra will soon come out with a hybrid vehicle and it will cost the same as your regular bolero or scorpio. Excited, yes M&M will bring a hybrid vehicle but not the scoprio hybrid it is developing for american market but micro hybrid version of bolero and scorpio in June. micro hybrids are not true hybrids but a conventional vehicle which shuts off the engine and uses electric power while idling. By doing it,scropio micro hybrid and boler micro hybrid will be made more economical to run. Stop/Start or plug-n-play or Micro hybrid as this technology is called conserves energy by shutting off the gasoline engine when the vehicle is at rest, such as at a traffic light to reduce the amount of time spend at idling, and automatically re-starting it when the driver pushes the gas pedal to go forward.An electronic brain keeps a careful eye on everything and refuses to stop the motor if the air conditioning is still needed or if the battery is running short on charge. Thus in the micro hybrid fuel efficiency would be marginally higher than the gasoline engine.Fuel economy / mileage gains from this technology are typically in the range of 5 to 10 percent. Also with this micro hybrid diesel clatter is put off. We made a brief test drive of bolero micro hybrid and found it good. But we found difficult to move around with the bolero micro hybrid atleast initially, when the vehicle is put to rest there is no sound coming from the engine compartment just silence which confused us whether he engine is in sleep mode and it is not turned off. But iím sure once you started learning to live with micro hybrids youíll love it. Micro hybrids adds almost no weight and little in the way of cost. Hcnce scorpio micro hybrid or bolero micro hybrid will be priced only at a slight premium over the existing ones.

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Old 25th March 2008, 16:49   #19
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An electronic brain keeps a careful eye on everything and refuses to stop the motor if the air conditioning is still needed or if the battery is running short on charge
What it means that if the air conditioner is On then it would not go on to the electric mode, right? If such is the case then how will you get the fuel efficiency.You achieve the same now also by putting your ignition off at the signal
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If this news is true, then it's definitely good news for prospective Scorpio buyers like me
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Old 25th March 2008, 17:22   #21
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When you put off the ignition, you have to time it so well at the signal that cars behind you dont honk at you as there is some time lag ( 2-5 seconds) required after turning on the key and twisting it for cranking( glow plug/ heater) in diesel vehicle. No one has the patience to wait behind you for 5 - 6 seconds, after the signal turns green.

In this case, the motor will keep it on and all you will need to do is that , just press the accelerator pedal as you would have done if the engine was turned on in normal mode.

In city where you encounter 50-60 signal on your way typical trip a day, it is not so easy to kill the switch at each signal coz most of the time , you cant even guess how many seconds more before, it turns green.

Another thing is that, this features should be activated ( electric motor) in neutral/ park position ( gear). Any news if they plonk and auto tranny in this will be more appreciated.

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Old 25th March 2008, 17:42   #22
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In mumbai we drive with AC on all the time because of the pollution and the climate, so if electric motor is not activated while in a stand still mode when the AC is on what is the use of the mini hybrid engine.
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Old 25th March 2008, 18:09   #23
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This is a common technology practised by likes of BMW and 'to be ours' very own Landy will have this by 2009. But i am really glad to see Mahindra take an initiative towards a green world. Hats off. TATA come on catch up
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Old 25th March 2008, 18:22   #24
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This is a common technology practised by likes of BMW and 'to be ours' very own Landy will have this by 2009. But i am really glad to see Mahindra take an initiative towards a green world. Hats off. TATA come on catch up
Its a nice concept and will be good to see on indian roads. But i am also concerned on *** for the electrical components and "electronic brain".

Also how will mahindra support our jugaad ppl who will put in a cng/lpg cylinder as well.
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Old 25th March 2008, 23:03   #25
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Latest cars from BMW have feature to switch off the engine at the traffic signals. It works as follows. When one approaches a traffic signal or traffic jam he will change the gear to neutral and releases the clutch, the engine switches off. When one wants to move he will press the clutch and the engine starts.

I think this solution is better and cheaper than the solution mentioned.
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Old 25th March 2008, 23:19   #26
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I'd posted a pic of an electric Bolero owned by Greenpeace that I'd spotted many months back. Glad to know more of this green options will be available commercially.
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Old 8th October 2009, 18:28   #27
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Lightbulb Green Mahindra Scorpio: India's firs commercial car to run on 100% Bio-Diesel.

An Article from today's HT:
Just saw it on the Facebook scorpio fan page, so thought would share this one. Please share your thoughts.



Megha Rathee's mint-green Scorpio sits like any other car in a corporate parking lot in Gurgaon, Delhi's suburb of global companies. There's no indication that it is a remarkable vehicle -- India's first commercial car to run on 100 per cent biodiesel. Plenty of cars run on a diesel-biofuel blend. In October 2007, under pressure from the world to cut emissions of the greenhouses gases produced by fossil fuel combustion, the Indian government mandated that all diesel contain 5 per cent biofuel by volume. Biofuels are fuels produced from crops. They burn cleaner than fossil fuels -- releasing up to 90 per cent less carbon dioxide, the gas responsible for global climate change.
Biodiesels, a subset of biofuels, are fuels produced from vegetable or animal oils.
Now, the government is targeting a 20 per cent biofuel blend by 2017. Last week, under pressure from world leaders, Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh promised that India will set targets for reducing its carbon emissions and report annually on its progress to the United Nations.
But Megha doesn't need to wait for anyone to mix biodiesel into her fuel.
Her Scorpio can run on either * although she says it performs better with biodiesel.
Together, Megha and her husband Akshat own a business, Earth 100 biofuels, which provides biofuel-powered cars to corporate clients.
The Rathees first came up with the idea in 2007. "Since nobody else had tried to do this, we had to build the entire business," said Akshat.
They approached a few companies, who indicated that they'd be willing to run biodiesel-powered cars as part of their company fleet if the Rathees could provide the cars.
In countries such as Brazil, engines regularly run on oil that is up to 70 per cent biofuel. A regular diesel engine can be outfitted to burn biofuel with a few minor and inexpensive alterations.
For the same price as a regular Scorpio, Mahindra and Mahindra, an automobile firm, agreed to supply the Rathees with Scorpios that could run on both diesel and biodiesel.
The trouble was sourcing the oil.
In 2007, the same time the Rathees were looking to start their business, the world was abuzz with news of a potential new "miracle biodiesel", produced from jatropha curcas, a bush that grows wild in India. Jatropha seeds are, on average, 38 per cent oil. The plant grows on arid land, and the biodiesel produced from crushed jatropha seeds performs well in diesel engines.
At the time, a few major Indian players had gotten into the biofuels market, particularly jatropha. But these corporations exported their product to Europe and the United States, where demand is higher.
"We approached five different companies, multimillion dollar companies,"
said Akshat. "But none of them could supply us with jatropha oil."
The Rathees finally met up with the Chhattisgarh Biofuel Development Authority (CBDA), a small facility in Raipur, central India. The Authority at the time supplied limited quantities of jatropha oil for scientific research.
Jatropha grows wild in Chhattisgarh, and for several years the CBDA had been employing rural farmers under the National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme, paying them anywhere from Rs 8 to Rs 20 for every kg of jatropha plant they picked.
In order to supply the Rathees' project, the CBDA upgraded its refining and laboratory testing facilities until it could provide a type of oil that met rigorous international biodiesel standards.
By March 2008, Earth 100 was ready to roll out a pilot fleet of 10 cars.
Now, the company has an order book of 700, the Rathees say. Their clients include million-dollar multinationals, state governments, and potentially even the Commonwealth Games Committee, which is considering using Earth 100 cars to ferry athletes, delegates and workers. The additional cost of operating a jatropha-powered car instead of a diesel car is about two rupees per kilometre, said Megha.
"Everybody seems to like the idea,"
said Megha. "People keep asking us if they can get these cars for their personal use."



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This is a good initiative , but where will these cars refuel from??

I'm not sure the existing oil majors will support this venture too much, after all, it will affect their existing revenues.
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I would love to see more initiatives like the one mentioned above.

Starting anything would be seriously difficult , but once it has picked up steam I am sure there would be places like a normal Bunk where the Bio-Fuel can be got.

Just a matter of time , I feel.
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Great initiative but the statement India's first commercial car to run on 100% Bio-Diesel may not be true.

Mercedes Benz did that few years ago here.
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