Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 28th April 2007, 00:01   #1
BHPian
 
BunnyPunia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 800
Thanked: 187 Times
Default Are auto mags taking us for a ride?

Harsh title?
Well, I was looking forward to the Spark's road test in both Overdrive (here in will be referred to as OD) and Autocar India (referred as ACI) magazines. Okay, they both carried the article BUT there is so much of a difference in both the tests, that i now think, are the mags in India taking us for a ride?

I will put forward some examples

When I came to reading the text, I found OD says Chevy needs to sort out the ride quality of the car and they werent too impressed with the way the car rides in city at low speeds.
ACI on the other hand says Spark takes the ride and handling to a new level in this segment. In their roadtest, they seem to be quite impressed with the way the Spark rides!

I was quite taken aback by this above thing, a complete reversal of things!
I went ahead and decided to compare the Logan tests too. Here is what i found

Figs for Logan petroll ( OD vs ACI)

0-60 : 6.30 vs 5.52 (diff of 0.78 secs)
0-100 : 15.24 vs 13.45 (diff of 1.79 secs)
Top Speed : 151.1 vs 167 (diff of 15.9 km/h!)
City Avg : 10.90 vs 9.9 (diff of 1 kmpl)
Highway Avg : 19.20 vs 13.4 ( diff of 5.8)

See the variation in figs?

I dont work for either mag, neither do i work for any other print magazine in India. I dont hate either mag : my point here is, what about thousands of those readers who refer to these magazine to buy cars?
BunnyPunia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 01:14   #2
Senior - BHPian
 
ported_head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Mumbai, India
Posts: 2,391
Thanked: 8 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyPunia View Post

I dont work for either mag, neither do i work for any other print magazine in India.
I think you said in another thread that you were an auto journo. Would you care to clarify?
ported_head is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 01:15   #3
BANNED
 
khaadu75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: same as the proposed venue for F1 ;-)
Posts: 1,154
Thanked: 11 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ported_head View Post
I think you said in another thread that you were an auto journo. Would you care to clarify?
HE WAS ... I guess its in the past ??? But a very interesting point dude ..... Lets see what the experts have to say on this ??

A good thread after a long time ..............

Cheers
khaadu75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 01:27   #4
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: India
Posts: 4,346
Thanked: 16 Times
Default

Auto magazines also have to keep their advertisers happy. That's a known fact.

What's the new confusion??
speedzak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 01:33   #5
BHPian
 
BunnyPunia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 800
Thanked: 187 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ported_head View Post
I think you said in another thread that you were an auto journo. Would you care to clarify?
I was..with car india/bike india.
BunnyPunia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 02:03   #6
BHPian
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: LAX-SNA-BFL-BLR
Posts: 319
Thanked: 12 Times
Default

i trust top gear...more than anyone. But US/Euro mags are better any day of the week.
CaliAtenza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 02:04   #7
BHPian
 
BunnyPunia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 800
Thanked: 187 Times
Default

i wished to edit my post, but cudnt due to rules here (the 20 min rule)

Further putting more facts, figs of Palio Stile test (OD vs ACI)

0-60 : 7.6 vs 7.18
0-100 : 20.7 vs 20.45
top speed : 147.4 vs 132 (diff of 15.4!!!)
avg city : 12.02 vs 10.2 (diff of 2kmpl or 20%)
avg highway : 16.02 vs 15.04

Similar variations are also seen in the fuel economy figs of the new Getz Prime 1.1 (OD vs ACI)

avg city : 13.01 vs 9.3 (diff of almost 4kmpl!!!)
avg highway : 18.35 vs 14.6 (diff of 3.75kmpl!!)

************************************

FE is one of the most imp parameters for readers choosing a car. but in the above case of both the Getz Prime and Palio Stile, which mag shall we trust? there is a difference ranging from 20% to almost 40% in the figures
BunnyPunia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 02:11   #8
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: N.A
Posts: 6,834
Thanked: 1,503 Times
Default

We've been 'enjoying' the 'ride' for quite some time now. Why is there a sudden prick of conscience?
Steeroid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 02:18   #9
BHPian
 
BunnyPunia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 800
Thanked: 187 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeroid View Post
We've been 'enjoying' the 'ride' for quite some time now. Why is there a sudden prick of conscience?
Well, its been like a couple of weeks since i became a regular here. Didnt know you guys have been 'enjoying' the 'ride' for a while now.

Plus, as my relatives were looking at the Spark, and this time round with these two issues (as in the print issues of the mags) , i was really digging in deep so as to help my relatives judge the car. Yes i did know differences existed before as well, its just i thought of using figs and picking up the topic with facts here.

If the topic seems to be a problem, it can be deleted. No issues
BunnyPunia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 02:44   #10
Senior - BHPian
 
abhibh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Back in the HOOD near you!
Posts: 2,767
Thanked: 33 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by speedzak View Post
Auto magazines also have to keep their advertisers happy. That's a known fact.

What's the new confusion??
+ 1million. Totally to the point.
abhibh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 03:56   #11
RJK
Senior - BHPian
 
RJK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 940
Thanked: 16 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliAtenza View Post
i trust top gear...more than anyone. But US/Euro mags are better any day of the week.
I find US auto mags to be horse crap.
RJK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 08:22   #12
Team-BHP Support
 
Rehaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 22,381
Thanked: 22,604 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyPunia View Post
avg city : 12.02 vs 10.2 (diff of 2kmpl or 20%)
avg highway : 16.02 vs 15.04

Similar variations are also seen in the fuel economy figs of the new Getz Prime 1.1 (OD vs ACI)

avg city : 13.01 vs 9.3 (diff of almost 4kmpl!!!)
avg highway : 18.35 vs 14.6 (diff of 3.75kmpl!!)
In terms of FE tests, ACI and OD have very different ways of testing FE.

ACI's method gives more "real world" (and hence comparable to your current car) figures
OD's method gives more repeatable (and hence comparable to other cars in heir mag) figures

This has been discussed in other threads here...

cya
R
Rehaan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 09:26   #13
Distinguished - BHPian
 
condor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Speed-brkr City
Posts: 10,745
Thanked: 4,335 Times
Default Old Hat

Quote:
I find US auto mags to be horse crap.
Forget Auto mags - it's the same with others too. Cameras, gadgets .. take your pick.

Bunny, why do you think TBHP-ians go the lengths to TD cars and post their observations here ? TD - not is in Test Drive, but Torture Drives .

Quote:
avg highway : 18.35 vs 14.6 (diff of 3.75kmpl!!)
Highway Avg : 19.20 vs 13.4 ( diff of 5.8)
But then again, figures like 14.6 and 13.4 here are over-all figures, not highway numbers.

Last edited by condor : 28th April 2007 at 09:30.
condor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 09:49   #14
Team-BHP Support
 
theMAG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 7,035
Thanked: 1,471 Times
Default

Auto mags have to always be taken with a spoon of salt. They're basically a readers-targetted, politically acceptable and sponsors-balancing act put together. Not dissimilar to the Lok Ayukta.

Last edited by theMAG : 28th April 2007 at 09:55.
theMAG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th April 2007, 10:34   #15
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 47,749
Thanked: 89,386 Times
Default

I found that very surprising too; one magazine lambasts the Sparks ride quality while the other praises it.

Anyone who buys cars based on commercial reviews / automagazines has lost his marbles.
GTO is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Delta Motors, Gurgaon (Tata Dealer) :Taking customers for a ride kumargandharva Indian Car Dealerships 26 2nd October 2011 00:36
Are Indian Auto Service Stations taking us for a ride? notjustshrawan The Indian Car Scene 15 11th August 2009 19:23
Are 2 wheeler manufacturers taking us for a ride? srh The Indian Car Scene 7 18th February 2008 20:46
Top three Auto Mags islero Shifting gears 5 16th April 2005 03:07


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 06:14.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks