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Old 18th May 2007, 18:21   #31
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The DICOR engine as introduced in Indigo and Marina hardly differs from the TDI version in terms of power and torque. The true potential of this engine remains unexploited for want of a bigger gearbox which (it seems) cannot be fitted in the engine bay of the current Indigo. Hence Tata continues with the old gearbox and an underexploited engine.

While reviewing the Indigo LX DICOR, the Autocar guys even mentioned that it has higher noise and poorer average than Indigo TDI. Now if that's true, what's all this noise about?

Looks like we'll have to wait for the next-gen Indica/Indigo before we can see DICOR 1.4's true colours.

Does this mean that the Gearbox in the DICOR cars is not matched with the engines power? Does this mean trouble for the power-train in the long run?

I had bought a used Toyota Camry V-6 engine while in the USA. The gearbox was the same as the one used in the V-4 Camry. The power-train was totally screwed up and i had to dispose the car within 8 months of use. The reason attributed was that the engine was far too powerful for the drive-train.

Does the same thing apply to the TDI Indigo Vs Dicor Indigo.
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Old 18th May 2007, 18:26   #32
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nope it does not mean that,
Because Tata has not changed gearbox they have kept torque and power figures similar, so no extra load on gearbox.
If they had made 90bhp from DICOR which it is capable off, then there would have been such issues.
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[quote=Technocrat;441237]This thread mentions atleat three cars without the badge, Are the Stickers fitted at showroom level ?

The badging is fixed at the factory itself and not at the dealer point.


How come three cars(Two in Busa's pic & one I spotted) had the Badging missing from factory ???

Lots of things are possible in transit...or must have been pulled of the car, when it was parked some place....lotsa possibilities for this happenin...

But ya one things for sure no XL comes with side indicators on the fenders..
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nope it does not mean that,
Because Tata has not changed gearbox they have kept torque and power figures similar, so no extra load on gearbox.
If they had made 90bhp from DICOR which it is capable off, then there would have been such issues.
But whats stopping Tata from designing a new gearbox to go with the powerful engine?

The answer is that, when they have the new Indica platform they will unleash the true power with a redesigned gearbox which is already in their yard.

Its pure marketing ploy. Dont even be surprised if you find that this new gearbox is hardly different apart from revised gear ratios!

BTW, its not right to say that the DICOR engine is hardly different from the TDi based on pwer and torque figures. Those numbers are just the peak values at a certain rpms. The torque/power droop before or after that peak rpm is much lesser in the Dicor, for instance peak torque is produced over a RPM range rather than a particular rpm. That should Make the car significantly quicker and effortless to drive (although I havn't have the opportunity to drive the 1.4 DICOR nor do I place much importance to commercial magazine reports but looking at the dicor engine figures thats what I feel its going to be) .

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Dear 1100D, you forgot that the Indica and Indigo are looked as VFM.
With just the DICOR engine costs jumped around 50K, and people are saying indigo is no longer VFM.
Imagine a new gearbox. Niggling issues that Tata has with anything new, you are looking at increasing cost by 70K, if economy of volumes kicks in it will still be quite a bit of initial investment.

If logan had creamed Tata's maybe then they would try to push, but on paper the Indigo DICOR beats Logan and Fiesta hands down.
Like both of them it has a DICOR engine, which produces more power.

So on paper you have a more powerful engine than competition, with same advanced common rail technology.

As for the different, I agree driveability is slightly better, but not by a very noticeable margin.

I took a test drive, and it was not worth paying 50K extra. TDI is more VFM.
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Has anyone realised that this car is equipped in every way similarly to the Ikon diesel, Escort diesel, Astra diesel, and the old Accent DLE? And it costs a LOT less and has newer, more expensive technology. Hats off to Tata Motors.
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tata has put up an ad today for a long wheel base edition XL at 5.25 lacs ex showroom and compares it with fiesta, verna(!!). in terms of space definitely this will blow anything else away, but as far as engine refinements etc, it is still to be seen whether its anything better to be compared. the ad was probably for the petrol version (in TOI)
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Petrol version is 101PS twin cam DOHC. Pretty silent on the outside atleast(have listened to it). If they don't have quality issues, this may be a very sweet motor.
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The motor might be good, but it will loose its lustre immediately if the gearbox is still the same.
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Not much of a battle, is it? Mahindra bargained more than they can handle
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Dear 1100D, you forgot that the Indica and Indigo are looked as VFM.
With just the DICOR engine costs jumped around 50K, and people are saying indigo is no longer VFM.
Imagine a new gearbox. Niggling issues that Tata has with anything new, you are looking at increasing cost by 70K, if economy of volumes kicks in it will still be quite a bit of initial investment.

If logan had creamed Tata's maybe then they would try to push, but on paper the Indigo DICOR beats Logan and Fiesta hands down.
Like both of them it has a DICOR engine, which produces more power.

So on paper you have a more powerful engine than competition, with same advanced common rail technology.

As for the different, I agree driveability is slightly better, but not by a very noticeable margin.

I took a test drive, and it was not worth paying 50K extra. TDI is more VFM.
Agreed, but then 2-3 years down the line there will be no TDI engines and all you'll see will be only DICOR engines. The resale values for TDI will be non-existent plus personally i believe that one should always invest in futuristic technology. Even if the DICOR performance is slightly better in terms of drivability, future enhancements are possible.

Dicor sounds more futuristic and a better deal 2-3 years down the line.
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How come everybody is interested only in the Diesel DICOR Indigo XL ?? From what I know and saw, the XL also has a new 1400 cc DOHC Petrol engine which pumps out 101 bhp, something only the Fiesta/Aveo/Verna 1.6 are able to manage.

The car itself has rear legroom better than that of a Skoda Superb and Merc S class, forget about the Camry and Accord. With other features like rear AC vents (absent even in D-segment cars), headrest mounted DVD screens, car phone with bluetooth, chilled glovebox, turning lights integrated in the side rear-view mirror assembly, this car should be a winner !! Can't see many of them on the road however and I wonder why.

I would have surely gone in for the petrol 1.4 XL had the car been in the market last year when I bought my Corolla....would have been much easier on my purse strings too.
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samir, the problem is that Tata has not never been associated with Petrol engines.
In June 2002 I bought a new indica DLS, which was a marked improvement over the previous versions in terms of suspension and AC.
The Petrol version went for even more drastic change. The power and torque characteristics of the engine were improved drastically, and in a comparison test by Autocar India the Indica beat the Palio 1.2 in terms of in gear acceleration figures, and 0-100 times.
Inspite of the major changes in petrol engine, all the focus was on the diesel engine only.

Tata had to push the indica petrol very very hard and as a result people now consider the Xeta a "also there" option, instead of "huh? You bought a petrol indica? you must be crazy".
My friend who bought a petrol indica in Sept 2002 because of the power and space over the regular fair in that price range at that time also got such questions from his family members
"you are crazy" "Are you mad you bought a petrol indica!!".

Same is the situation with indigo. Tata indigo is seen as a VFM diesel sedan. 100bhp 16V DOHC sedan? That is looked at with skeptism.
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From what I know and saw, the XL also has a new 1400 cc DOHC Petrol engine which pumps out 101 bhp
No experience with the car,but hearsay is that pretty bad FE figures[in single digits actually] for the XL petrol.
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Two of my good friends own Indigo Petrols(85 BHP non DOHC) and they get around 11-12 in bangalore city traffic and around 15 on the highways.
I doubt the 100bhp will do worse, however the weight of the XL may be an issue.
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