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Old 30th May 2007, 10:09   #31
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Is the Vitara coming in as CBU?
Yes it is coming as a CBU.
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Old 30th May 2007, 23:31   #32
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I know of few which are all imported engines.

1. Hyundai Verna.
2. Ford Fiesta.
3. Ford Endeavour.
4. Mahindra Renault Logan.

These are all diesels. The petrol engine which is bieng imported is SX4.
I got that, ranc. I was responding to your comment "I still feel anyone coming out with a SUV should look at a pricepoint between the Scorpio and the Endeavour thats where all the action is. And yes it is diesel."

They cannot be at a pricepoint between the scorp and endeavour, if it is a bigger and more luxurious vehicle than the endeavour (which is a Ford everest truck chassis), simply because import content attracts duties.

Same reason why the 4 cars you listed are not priced competitively wrt the Indian versions from Tata's, which all said and done, does not match the global economies of scale the others enjoy.
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They cannot be at a pricepoint between the scorp and endeavour, if it is a bigger and more luxurious vehicle than the endeavour (which is a Ford everest truck chassis), simply because import content attracts duties.

Same reason why the 4 cars you listed are not priced competitively wrt the Indian versions from Tata's, which all said and done, does not match the global economies of scale the others enjoy.
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Tata is not the bench mark for me after owning a Tata Sierra and a Safari, I dont think I can ever think of buying a Tata. But yes you are right in a way and I agree that these machines will be more expensive than their Indian counterparts and that is why I mention the range of Scorpio to Endeavour, one bieng indigenous and one a totally imported SUV. Yes trim levels do make a diffrence but can you tell me what is their in lets say a Vitara or a Pajero or a CRV which so luxorious and dfifferent from lets say the Scorpio that brings it to a close to 20 L pricepoint.
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Tata is not the bench mark for me after owning a Tata Sierra and a Safari, I dont think I can ever think of buying a Tata. But yes you are right in a way and I agree that these machines will be more expensive than their Indian counterparts and that is why I mention the range of Scorpio to Endeavour, one bieng indigenous and one a totally imported SUV. Yes trim levels do make a diffrence but can you tell me what is their in lets say a Vitara or a Pajero or a CRV which so luxorious and dfifferent from lets say the Scorpio that brings it to a close to 20 L pricepoint.
All these add up to the 20L price!
- Chassis/Suspension stability
- Build quality/Finish
- 4x4 capability
- Brand, Snob value
- Safety features
- Performance
- Space
- Technology
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Agreed we sell too few Accords. But wont the numbers increase tremendously if the prices drop?

What about better selling cars (number wise) like the Scorpio? Why dont they reduce their prices?

I agree with Supernova, car manufactures are ripping us off


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@supernova, You also need to take into consideration the economies of sale. For e.g. the Honda Accord. It sells about 4,00,000 units a year in the USA and about 5,000 in India.
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would be interesting if someone can tell maruti to explore the sx4 platform for a small suv under 10L...

will probably give a big knockout punch to safari/scorpio..
Dont think it will affect the Safari. The space inside a Safari and a SX4 cannot be compared.
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All these add up to the 20L price!
- Chassis/Suspension stability
- Build quality/Finish
- 4x4 capability
- Brand, Snob value
- Safety features
- Performance
- Space
- Technology
Well here is an example how we all get ripped off.
Elantra Tuscon
- Chassis/Suspension stability Same Same
- Build quality/Finish Same Company
- 4x4 capability NA Yes
- Brand, Snob value Same Same
- Safety features Same Same
- Performance Same Same
- Space not much diiference
- Technology Same Engine
Price 9.5 Lakhs 16 Lakhs

So effectively we are paying 6.5 Lakhs extra for 4 x 4 and maybe some extra steel (few kgs I guess) that goes into the making of tuscon.
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Dont think it will affect the Safari. The space inside a Safari and a SX4 cannot be compared.
You will be surprised. Maruti has delivered a good punch to hyundai, ford and honda.

If they launch a SUV with similar market research and price diligence, Tata's will learn a lesson or 2. And space is not the only factor which ppl will look at.

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Well here is an example how we all get ripped off.
Elantra Tuscon
- Chassis/Suspension stability Same Same
- Build quality/Finish Same Company
- 4x4 capability NA Yes
- Brand, Snob value Same Same
- Safety features Same Same
- Performance Same Same
- Space not much diiference
- Technology Same Engine
Price 9.5 Lakhs 16 Lakhs

So effectively we are paying 6.5 Lakhs extra for 4 x 4 and maybe some extra steel (few kgs I guess) that goes into the making of tuscon.
I thinnk that's because the Tuscon is a CBU whearas the Elantra in made here.
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There is a new version of Honda CRV in teh U.S....Are we expecting the same to get launched in India..

This one's a little curvy and bigger than the earlier versions...
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I agree with Supernova, car manufactures are ripping us off
Time and again there is talk of car manufacturers ripping people off. I am not sure if I agree with that. Nobody forces anyone to buy a car. We all have a choice. All business want to make the most money by spending the least amount. I am sure all businessmen in T-BHP will agree with that.

The only thing that can address this issue is competition. Only when there is competition the prices become fair. That is why we must applaud Maruti for SX4 and Ford for Fiesta diesel. These two cars have-ended/will-end Honda's monopoly on C segment.

Now where is fortuner ?

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There is a new version of Honda CRV in teh U.S....Are we expecting the same to get launched in India..

This one's a little curvy and bigger than the earlier versions...
It has already been launched...


Still no update on the endy crdi ???
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