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Old 16th August 2007, 12:03   #46
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We at the team-bhp more or less know the car at least externally (thanks to steeroid). It would be interesting to see the exact tech specs and the features on this car when it's unveiled.
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Come January and you will see the automobile the world has been waiting for: The Rs 1 lakh-car.
Let the world wait.

We have seen it. (All hail steeroid! )
Btwn; There are multiple threads of the car. I hope you have seen it.
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January 10 2008, D-day for TATA motors

On january 10 2008,tata motors will reveal the one-lakh car to the whole world at the delhi auto expo.

The all new indica will come with the 1.3 fiat multijet[fiat to produce it at its ranjangaon plant for tata] would also be there on display
Indica and Zing (the original 1 lac rupee concept car model) were first unveiled at the same venue in January 1998.

Palio has undergone 4 makeovers during the time Tata has taken to come out with the second-generation Indica.

That's way too slow by today's standards.

Tata will need to be a lot quicker in developing future replacement models if it wants to emerge as a serious international auto player.

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Talk about being quicker,

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The small car project of Tata Motors in Singur is getting delayed, according to Mr Ratan Tata.

“We’ll however use our capability to make good the delay,” Mr Tata said, while talking to newspersons at the end of Tata Tea Ltd’s annual general meeting here on Friday.

Mr Tata declined to give any probable date for the roll out of the first car from the Singur factory saying, “It will help the vested interests”.
that is why I said earlier that showcasing and launching a roadworthy vehicle are different ballgames altogether.

Havent we learnt from the Safari 2.2/New Sumo stories, still awaiting their launches.

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One OT question: Where is Dr. Sumantran now?
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Dr Sumantran is now a member of the Core Group on Automotive R&D attached to the Office of the Principal Scientific Advisor to the GOI.

Also, he holds an amateur pilot's license and the Dr part of it is because he has a PhD in Aerospace Engg.
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Also, he holds an amateur pilot's license and the Dr part of it is because he has a PhD in Aerospace Engg.
No wonder he couldnt help them make decent cars.
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He could have helped them a better aeroplanes....
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Palio has undergone 4 makeovers during the time Tata has taken to come out with the second-generation Indica.
Palio is still the same car. Just that it has been refreshed.

Thinking along the same lines, Indica has gone through even more makeovers. First the indica, then V2, V2 was refreshed again with clearlens and sorts, then Xeta, now the new facelift with 1.2 engine.
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Palio is still the same car. Just that it has been refreshed.

Thinking along the same lines, Indica has gone through even more makeovers. First the indica, then V2, V2 was refreshed again with clearlens and sorts, then Xeta, now the new facelift with 1.2 engine.
If you examine the Palio Stile closely, you'll discover that the entire body shell is different from that on the earlier Palio: the doors, the bonnet, the C-pillar, the tail gate, etc. Such changes require changing the dies and tooling. I can't comment on Palio Mark-I and Mark-IV because both weren't introduced in India and so I did not have the opportunity to examine or compare them.

On the other hand, stylistic changes in Indica have been minimal and confined to parts like the bumper, side cladding, lights, etc. The body shell remains the same.

Since it is the declared policy of Tata Motors to emerge as an international auto player, it would need to follow international timelines w.r.t. model replacements. When you are selling in Europe, you can't fool the car buyers by just changing the bumpers and lights and calling the car "refreshingly new". You can't afford to wait for 10 years before effecting a model change.

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If you examine the Palio Stile closely, you'll discover that the entire body shell is different from that on the earlier Palio: the doors, the bonnet, the C-pillar, the tail gate, etc. Such changes require changing the dies and tooling. .
Those are just the Skin panels. Internals are the same.
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Those are just the Skin panels. Internals are the same.
Maybe the seats and dashboards (and hence the ins console and Aircon controls) are the same. But if the A/B pillar profiles change externally, the corresponding body shells on the inside would change too.

I guess Fiat moves not to Indian tunes but to pipers in other markets. They may have sold enough of the original design to warrant a replacement or simply received poor feedback about the design and decided to re-invest.
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Dr Sumantran is now a member of the Core Group on Automotive R&D attached to the Office of the Principal Scientific Advisor to the GOI.

Also, he holds an amateur pilot's license and the Dr part of it is because he has a PhD in Aerospace Engg.
In a case of sad irony in retrospect, this link from March10, 2002 says "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]In another move which is in consonance with its forward looking plans, Telco roped in Dr V Sumantran, formerly with General Motors, as executive director (passenger car business unit and engineering research centre). A former Formula Four racer, Dr Sumantran was working on premium platforms which would succeed top Fiat models like Santro and Alfa Romeo (as part of the GM-Fiat alliance). Interestingly, he was actively involved in drastically curtailing lead time for product development."[/SIZE][/FONT]

An F4 racer eh? From this link, it says that he now advises Ashok Leyland on developing battery-operated hybrid trucks and buses.

Interesting sort. Would like to shake him by the hand.

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Zappo - Are you sure the 1 lac car is going to be out before this year end?
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Huh? The 1 lac car? Now when did I say it will be out before this year end?

Tatas themselves are angling for sometime in the middle of the next year as the probable launch date. Personally, I have strong doubts on that timeline. Its too aggressive IMO. Even the plant is nowhere near being ready as yet.
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Since it is the declared policy of Tata Motors to emerge as an international auto player, it would need to follow international timelines w.r.t. model replacements.
On another forum a person who has worked in TATA mentioned the problems Indian car makers face when it comes to upgrading the models every 5 years (international timelines). He gave rough estimates of how much R&D/investment would be needed to make even a minor change as a new front fender design or head lamps and showed that it is not economical to release all new platforms/body every 5 years given the market size. International car makers can afford to do that because of their large sales. Still TATA is releasing all new models every 8 years or so it seems which is not bad.
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