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Old 11th February 2017, 21:05   #91
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The Union Ministry of Transport and Highways (MORTH) on 29/12/2016 amended the charges to be levied by the state RTO's in respect of many services offered by the RTO's. The hikes were quite steep and they cited the fact that these fees had not been hiked since 1989, i.e. since when the then new Motor Vehicles Act, 1989 came into effect. If they had not hiked the charges, then it was not the motor vehicle owner's fault. The hike could have been in phases, rather than in one stroke, which has hiked such fees to abnormal levels.

This gazette notification hiking the RTO fees was the 22nd amendment to the Central Motor Vehicles Rules, 1989.

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Thereafter, several RTO offices were charging abnormally and levying these charges illegally w.e.f . the date the RTO work was due.

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For instance , if a fitness was due from 2011, the new rates were being applied wef the date in 2011 to fleece and harass the owner.
Then on 02/02/2017 the MORTH has clarified that the hiked fees are payable wef the date of the gazette notification viz. 29/12/2016 and not retrospectively.

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Seeing the annoyance of the motor vehicle owners with the erratic behaviour, arrogance and confusion at the RTO offices and also in the State Transport Commissioner's levels too, regarding its date of implementation, I had filed a RTI application on 19/01/2017 with the Public Information Officer, MORTH, New Delhi. The reply here now clears all the confusion.

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It is bad in law and against the principles of natural justice to levy any newly hiked charges in any arena with retrospective effect. I was preparing to file a writ petition in a competent High Court to stay such levy retrospectively, as the gazette notification creates confusion as regards the date of effect and that the state RTO's were taking advantage and harassing the vehicle owners. But they have now clarified the date of effect of the notification and no retrospective levy can be done for any of the hiked charges as in the gazette notification.

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I hope something went wrong. I couldn't open these attachments.
Could you please have a look?
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I hope something went wrong. I couldn't open these attachments.
Could you please have a look?
I am able to open them on my P.C. with Google Chrome. The gazette notification which is in a PDF file gets downloaded and one can peruse it thereafter.All the other (three) attachments are easily accessible.
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I am able to open them on my P.C. with Google Chrome. The gazette notification which is in a PDF file gets downloaded and one can peruse it thereafter.All the other (three) attachments are easily accessible.
I'm getting this error with MS Edge, let me check with chrome tomorrow
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I'm getting this error with MS Edge, let me check with chrome tomorrow
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I am getting the same error. I tried using chrome on my pc, still it persists.
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I too faced problems while opening the files/ images. I am reposting in the same sequence and hence please give your feedback.

Hike RTO fees 29122016 Notification.pdf

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My Palio 1.6 GTX turned 15 on 2nd Feb. In order to avoid fines and to ensure my car remains road legal I had it submitted for re-registration on 20th Jan.

Remember, teh insurance is also NOT valid in case the car's registration has expired.

The RTO person also confirmed that charges had recently gone up to Rs 500/month for each month that vehicle's registration was not (re)done. I am currently waiting for the new registration certificate which is expected in about 30-45 days. The receipt serves as a temporary "certificate" just in case the cops ever ask for the RC.

I think we vehicle owners must ensure they remain road legal in every way. For those who tend to cock a snook at rules and delay re-registration, well, the fines are pretty high and it's no point grumbling afterwards.
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I too faced problems while opening the files/ images. I am reposting in the same sequence and hence please give your feedback.
Thanks Anjan, so as per the attachment and amendment in it the penalty is calculated after 29th Dec 2016. This is a good news!!
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I think I am lucky to have renewed my WagonR's FC within a week of it completing 15 years. At that time (August 2016), the fees were not so high (Rs 500 green tax and Rs 600 approx for a new RC card). But since I had to get an NOC from Vizag/AP to Hyd/Telangana, the overall cost came to around 2000, excluding the travel cost.

Details are in my LTO thread: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...her-5-a-9.html
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Hi, I own an old Honda City 2003 registered in Delhi. As we know the NGT has banned cars over 15 years and cannot be reregistered or get a fitness certificate to run further. I wanted to know whether the same ban is also implemented in Noida, UP. I am thinking about transferring the registration to UP. Is it possible to get this done? Kindly let me know! Thank you.
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Hi, I own an old Honda City 2003 registered in Delhi. As we know the NGT has banned cars over 15 years and cannot be reregistered or get a fitness certificate to run further. I wanted to know whether the same ban is also implemented in Noida, UP. I am thinking about transferring the registration to UP. Is it possible to get this done? Kindly let me know! Thank you.
The ban by the NGT is applicable to the entire NCR. Please check up if the earlier registration is from an area that falls in the NCR. Your present location is not important, whereas the car's registration in a NCR, RTO office is. If the car is registered in the NCR then its registration may have been cancelled.

In such cases, the RTO where it has been registered has no power to issue a NOC for transferring the car registration elsewhere. The court order is quite specific about stoppage of issue of NOC for all such motor vehicles.

Please however enquire from the RTO office where the car is registered to get more details.
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If the car is registered in the NCR then its registration may have been cancelled.
Since it is 2003 registered vehicle, current / initial registration should expire by 2018 only. In this case even if it is registered in NCR region, getting NOC before the RC expires is possible is my understanding.
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Since it is 2003 registered vehicle, current / initial registration should expire by 2018 only. In this case even if it is registered in NCR region, getting NOC before the RC expires is possible is my understanding.
Yes if 2003 ( the 15 yr period lapses in 2018) , must get NOC immediately and move out its registration.
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Yes if 2003 ( the 15 yr period lapses in 2018) , must get NOC immediately and move out its registration.
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Since it is 2003 registered vehicle, current / initial registration should expire by 2018 only. In this case even if it is registered in NCR region, getting NOC before the RC expires is possible is my understanding.
I still have till March next year before the registration expires. What I wanted to know was whether the NOIDA RTO issues fitness certificates to cars older than 15 years or are they also implementing the ban?
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I still have till March next year before the registration expires. What I wanted to know was whether the NOIDA RTO issues fitness certificates to cars older than 15 years or are they also implementing the ban?
Please check out for the exact position with the local RTA office. The position as regards petrol cars is not clear. You have asked about NOIDA RTO's stance on the issue of fitness certificates. NOIDA is in the NCR I believe. Please check up as your car's registration actually matters. If its registered in Delhi or any place in the NCR and you are stationed somewhere else, it is the place of registration that matters (the present place of the car's registration) and not your address.

From what could be gathered, the NGT has banned all diesel cars and the Central government has moved the Supreme Court about a month back against the NGT orders. And no interim stay has come from the Supreme Court. So diesels 15 years or older are targeted.

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