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Old 24th February 2017, 05:57   #106
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Question is, Is the RTO really qualified and honest about issuing an FC for an old car?
I am have doubts about their competence itself. Can they really tell the difference between an old 'banger' and a lovingly maintained classic? Or are their eyes completely clouded by the rupee signs they see through their selectively opaque retinas?
Can they really tell the difference between my lovely clean Gypsy and some old vehicle and more Importantly, will they be fair in their evaluation without money changing hands?
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Old 24th February 2017, 19:06   #107
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Question is, Is the RTO really qualified and honest about issuing an FC for an old car?
You knew the answer Sirji, why post the question here?

What does the rule say regarding 'Fitness'?

Vehicle should be road worthy
Term 'road worthy' is taken for a toss here. Anything that could be driven and capable of being stopped on road is said to be road worthy (as per RTO) There are cases where the inspector don't mind to check if the headlamps really work.

Should meet the emission norms
You know, my Yamaha RX pollutes less than a brand new 100cc 4 stroke bike. I say this having a valid pollution check certificate, but I'm not sure how far the instrument is right or calibrated or even if it really works

I'm covering only these two. There are few other checkpoints as well, but neither every inspector is knowledgeable nor they put effort to check each and every point. All they need is a so called proper documents and a physical vehicle to issue FC.
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I too faced problems while opening the files/ images. I am reposting in the same sequence and hence please give your feedback.
I had also written under the RTI Act 2005, to the Public Information Officer, Transport Commissioner Maharashtra's Office, Mumbai, about the recent hikes in the RTO charges wef 29/12/2016. This was as per the 22nd amendment to the Central Motor Vehicles Rules, 1989 for all motor vehicle related work. The questions and the replies are posted herewith.

Their answer to the last query is evasive and they have relied on the MORTH gazette notification dtd 29/12/2016 that has been enclosed and sent to me. However the Union Ministry of Transport, New Delhi, clarification of 03/02/2017 (already posted by me) clearly states that the charges are to be levied from prospective effect.

The Transport Commissioner, Maharashtra's reply:

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Hi guys, I have a 16 year old bike that is due for re-registration at Bangalore only. Can I sell this bike without going for re-registration and let the buyer directly register to his name (after taking FC)? Is this possible ? Or Is it mandatory re-register prior to sell ? Please advise.

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I have an old Yamaha YBX registered in the year 2000 which is lying unused. I guess registration has expired now and I didn't bother to renew the insurance either. Since its lying unused, it will require servicing.

Any suggestions on whether
1. This should be re-registered, insured, serviced and sold. In that case kindly suggest the approximate cost of getting this done vis a vis the possible selling price to make this a worthwhile exercise
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2. Don't bother wasting more money on this. Just scrap it.
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1. This should be re-registered, insured, serviced and sold. In that case kindly suggest the approximate cost of getting this done vis a vis the possible selling price to make this a worthwhile exercise
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2. Don't bother wasting more money on this. Just scrap it.
If you want to sell it, then re-registration is required. Since there is a gap, there will be a penalty too.

A buyer will look at the validity of the papers. There are instances of (members) buying a bike with expired papers and then having to pay penatly to get it in the clear ( since they had already spent money buying the bike).

If you are scrapping it, then ensure it is scrapped properly and not used in a way that you end up in a problem.
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If you could find a buyer who is ready to buy in As-is where-is condition, it's a win-win for both. He/she can get the bike mechanically fit and appear for retest & name transfer (as I did for one of my RX)

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1. This should be re-registered, insured, serviced and sold. In that case kindly suggest the approximate cost of getting this done vis a vis the possible selling price to make this a worthwhile exercise
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2. Don't bother wasting more money on this. Just scrap it.
1) Fitness renewal fee was revised from last December. Penalty upto 2016 Dec will be few hundreds (couldn't recall the actual amount) and from 2016 Dec, it will be 300 INR per month. Plus the Green Tax, Insurance, Pollution check, etc. It should cost around 3k. Service cost depends on the condition of bike.

2) I suggest not to scrap a YBX. Use it as a donor bike (if you don't wish to spend on getting it road worthy)

PS: We have a similar discussion here
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post4171793 (15+ year old cars & Certificate of Fitness (CF))
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I'm in the same boat with my Splendor. I do not know of trustworthy scrapping agents, so it would be standing still at my house or re-register and use occasionally. Do not know what the penalty will be in Kerala.
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Will re-registration require insurance as a pre-requisite? or will insurance require registration as a pre-requisite? or is it a chicken and egg situation?
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Will re-registration require insurance as a pre-requisite? or will insurance require registration as a pre-requisite? or is it a chicken and egg situation?
Try creating the insurance policy (the cheapest one, liability only) online.
It should go through!
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Will re-registration require insurance as a pre-requisite? or will insurance require registration as a pre-requisite? or is it a chicken and egg situation?
Former is correct. Valid insurance is required to (re)register the vehicle (same as registering a new vehicle)

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Try creating the insurance policy (the cheapest one, liability only) online.
It should go through!
From my experience, insurance for 15+ years old vehicle can't be taken online (even a liability only policy)
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Hello People! Any idea what happens to the cars in Kolkata after 15 years of use? Can one pay the road tax for the next 5 years and continue using it? One of my relative owns a 2007 car for which road tax is due for the period of 2017-2022. He is a member of AAEI and when he contacted AAEI to pay the tax the AAEI guy said he can pay the lifetime tax now and continue using the vehicle after even 15 years of usage. But he is not sure about the authenticity of the comment made by the AAEI guy. Also he wants to think in advance what to do with the car once the 15th year approaches. So it will be very helpful if any of the TBHP members can shed some light on this topic.

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Question Re: FC for 2001 Alto LX at KA05?

What is the process for fitness certificate in B'lore? Our Alto LX which was registered in April 2001 has it's fitness expired in April 2016. I had the vehicle left at Mandovi Body Shop and they found that fitness expired and they wanted the same to be done for the claims processing.

Now, what would be required for this to be done at Jayanagar RTO. My sister, the owner is at Mumbai and I need to get this done in B'lore.

If someone has experience at this particular RTO(KA05), please share the same.

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I have done fitness tests ( Renewal of Registration) successfully for two of motor vehicles owned by me very recently (another one is due next in August 2018) and would like to summarise the fitness process which is not quite a tough task, as many may think. We are reluctant to go and usually get the work done through agents. But I must be candid, that I have received satisfactory co-operation from the concerned local RTO staff. No amount was paid anywhere illegally for the works.

Renewal of Fitness certificate for privately owned motor vehicles :

(Not applicable to Delhi and NCR due to the NGT gag order)

After the registration of your car or bike is 15 years old, it lapses. The registration renewal process can be done at the RTO office, with whom the vehicle is registered, or where it has been shifted with a valid NOC, is described here.

- The first step is to get a valid insurance policy

- Next get a pollution under control certificate (PUC) from an RTO authorised outlet.

- Get the relevant blank forms for fitness of motor vehicles (normally two forms) from the RTO office.

- Green Tax if payable in your state needs to be paid up to date and complied with as per the prescribed rules. A xerox copy of the Green Tax receipt needs to be attached to the form along with the insurance and PUC xeroxes.

- Fill up the requisite details on the forms. The chassis and engine number pencil marking on a soft paper is needed to be affixed to the form as a proof that these have not changed.

- get your bike or car ready and in a presentable condition for the fitness test. Check brakes, headlights, indicators, brake lights, engine sound/ tuning.

- with the RTO prescribed forms attach a xerox copy of the insurance policy, green tax receipt and PUC certificate. Also some RTO's need an Aadhar card copy.

- take the bike or car for the necessary fitness test to the RTO office.

- first a "no objection endorsement" is to be taken from the counter where the record of the bike or car is maintained to prove that it is not involved in any traffic or other offences.

- the next halt will have to be the fee counter at the RTO office to pay the requisite fees. The fees for fitness kept pending by an owner may be Rs 100 or Rs 200 per year till 31.12.2016 as per your state rules. Thereafter, its a whopping Rs 300 for two wheelers per month and Rs 600 per month for cars, since January 2017.

- Next to the fitness testing Motor Vehicle Inspector (MVI) who checks the vehicle and signs on the designated columns in the application form, if your motor vehicle is found satisfactory. The MVI may check the bike or car and only then issue fitness validity for five years.

- Thereafter, the work is done. The owner submits these papers to the relevant counter for processing.

- Most RTO's send the registration renewal validity paper/s by post to your postal address as registered with them.

ITS VERY EASY TO GET IT DONE PERSONALLY. IT JUST TAKES A FEW HOURS. MOST RTO OFFICES ARE STILL RESPECTING THE OWNER'S PRESENCE, DESPITE THE HUNDREDS OF TOUTS.

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