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View Poll Results: will the new chevy SPARK dethrone the xing? - its about the new CHEVY SPARK
a) yes 34 32.69%
b)no 52 50.00%
c)cant say 18 17.31%
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Old 22nd September 2006, 12:55   #31
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nahee yaar Spark.....would jst come and GO again.....to beat MARUTI & hyundai.....under 5 lac bracket .....it would take a lot of might ............though Spark ....is no doubt a good car ....it will pile up in the list of Under-rated cars ......& would eventually disappear....

.....Until and unless GM ......goes in for a Super Marketing(get maalika sherawat..., john abrhm),Super Branding ....a la HUTchison(which snatched the Meaty Morsels out of Airtel's market....starting with a Ziltch)......and significantly invest in A.S.S .......that calls for huge Financial Commitment....

......with well established options like M800,alto,Wagon r ,Santro,indica zeta,the New ZEN.......its kind of unrealistic to use words like KILL wrtSpark.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 12:58   #32
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The original Matiz was a gr8 car, but would get it actually take on the New Xing also coming out in 07 now that remains to be seen. Spark would have to deal with the fac tthat the ppl already know its a repackaged daewoo matiz.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 12:59   #33
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the spark, if & when it does arrive, will have to compete with not only alto or xing, there would be the new Zen also. with toyota also planning to bring a small car, i cant see spark starting any flames in this segment. this segment is already lit, thank you. probably, the die-hard matiz owners might be buying the new sparks initially. it had better be best, if GM seriously think of entering this segment with a bang, no , spark.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 13:03   #34
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What if Hyundai launches the CRDi Santro around the same time ?
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yep, the competition could only get hotter for spark.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 15:02   #36
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At least the photgraph on yesterdays TOI, does not look good, Infact it looks even worse than a Tavera. But it was just a front view in Black and White..Lets see What the final product is.
Considering Spark to be under 5 Lakhs, Would'nt someone still prefer the Chevy SRV over it..!

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Old 22nd September 2006, 15:14   #37
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What if Hyundai launches the CRDi Santro around the same time ?
What about the petrol market then ? There are still going to be lots of people who will want petrol car.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 15:19   #38
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not likely

the original matiz was pitted against very old versions of the zen and santro - both maruti and hyundai have come miles ahead since those days, both in terms of great product features and excellent A/s/S. it would be really tough for GM to come to level with that unless it goes on a dealer-opening spree right now.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 15:42   #39
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Spark in my view can only do well if the After Sales Support is strengthened by General Motors. The only exceptionally good service currently being provided is by Hyundai and next comes Maruti. Hope GM can match them.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 16:07   #40
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Spark dethrone Xing?

Its a wait and watch game. Hyundai is launching new version of Xing in 2007 and maybe they may also price it more competetive for already low priced cars and also they do have plans for a CRDi on Xing but launch time is still not officially declared. So definitely things wont be easy for Spark initially and its a game where maturity will play a vital role. Santros have matured over time so it wont be Spark Came, Spark Saw and Spark Conquered.

We will definitely like to see Spark be a major player in the game but now more than Spark its upto GM to make the car successful as they have already phased out good cars (Astra, Corsa, Vectra, even Forrester is not much seen now). I hope Spark doesnt go the same way.

Rest let the time tell. Happy Driving.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 16:18   #41
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no offence.. but the santro is an awful car.. tinny, unstable and poor fe... for the love of god i still cant figure out why it did so well.. the matiz/spark on the other hand is a sweet handler (porsche devl. suspension )correct me if im wrong.. good looks and comfy.. it will do better if gm manages to get the all omportant sales an after service in place.. all the best sparky m'boy..
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Old 22nd September 2006, 17:09   #42
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Earlier santro was bad car i agree but the XING one is far better then the earlier santro. And IMHO i dont think the spark will do much harm to santro market.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 17:15   #43
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Default Santro Vs Matiz - Times have changed

Way back during the end of 90's when both the cars were launched.. Both Daewoo & Hyundai were new to the end customer.. Both the cars have similar engines / power.. the market was very new for any experimenting.. so no wonder Santro lost it then given the ugly tall boy look. Matiz was a gem given the sweet engine performance and cute looks (though the engine is sluggish with AC) It would be a sin, if the Matiz's great handling is not mentioned (Hint: Strut braces in 90's?? Must be kidding!!)

Now the market has changed alot. Santro is no longer ugly and it does most of the things more or less well (Except the weird way it handles the curves) and A.S.S is too good.. Where as nothing good can be said about Matiz in today's scenario.. to reinforce Matiz resale is pits!!

Can GM pull this?? It would have been much easier if it was in 2005.. But now the competition is really stiff in 1Litre market.. All the cars (read Santro, WagonR, Alto ...) are evolved over multiple iterations..There is no way a car can be sold only good looks alone! A.S.S is extremely important.. Fuel efficieny, IMO is more or less the same for similar cars (Actually, it is more to do with the driver. Not to deviate from the topic at hand, a same car can show upto 2 KMPL difference based on pure driving habbits. I never managed an 8+ on my Santro and could bearly reach 10 on Matiz! Hint: Redlining might be the word )
GM has to show some differentiation in this car.. May be a SPORTS version of the Spark with engine & suspension tuned for this purpose (How I wish Swift is launched in this trim!) may be clutch free driving (automatic?) as this car should be targetted as easy & fun to drive.
The differentiation message should be there and should come out strong..
Since the 'dies' are already there.. it should be cheap.. may be 3L on road..

I hope GM is listening!! (Listening is never GM's weakness.. It is only the time they take to do it )

PS: I drive both Santro & Matiz (stock to the core and 2000 versions without PS). I like the power of Santro but somehow Matiz is very involving..will talk about this more, some other time!
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Old 22nd September 2006, 18:52   #44
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the MATIZ had many fans and it was an excellent product.
What about public memory ? The same fans were shocked and taken aback when Daewoo pulled out abruptly (ofcourse now it will be launched by GM). Will the people "Forgive and Forget ?" that will be a major factor in the success of the Spark nee Matiz.

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When we talk about dethroning the best example before us is the Honda Civic VS Toyota Corolla So the probabilty of dethroning depends on

1>. Completely new age design with well apointed interiors with respect to competetor:
The honda civic looks were definitely a class apart from the corolla,so is the chevy spark space age in front of xing,sadly no.Also the new spark designing may actually not go done well with all[personal view]
Regarding interiors really again dont think spark outclasses xing completely.

2>. Outstanding engine: civic beat corolla, spark engine unknown vs xing engine which is a proven performer.

3>. Brand image: in india toyota have less brand image than honda[yes its true] in the civic vs corolla batlle,as for spark vs xing battle again suprisingly hyundai is held in better regard than gm.

4>. Customer service: Gm service at present no where near hyundai Customer service .Also in terms of cost gm more costly than hyundai in general.

So a matiz owner sadly has to admit that it is very unlikely that the spark would dethrone the xing
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