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Old 13th September 2007, 16:47   #76
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I feel its practically impossible to ban diesel cars in delhi.
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Hmm, why not do what the HK govt did:
EPD - Cleaning the Air at Roadside
Introduce a cutoff date for taxis that are EuroI level, and phase those smoking taveras and sumos and even some scorps. And make the euro IV compliant diesels (read swift) much cheaper to buy as an incentive for someone who trades in an older indica
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Old 11th November 2007, 21:34   #78
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I feel its practically impossible to ban diesel cars in delhi.
I dont think anything is impossible for these ***** politicians . when they can seal all the commercial shops in delhi ,play with the bread and butter of a delhi citizen ,make some people do suicides ,delhi bandh and what not,they can do anything ...
But yes ,in the long run its nearly impossible ...
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yeah they can phase out the cars with less refined engine and giving hell lot of smoke... Diesel Cars to be phased out,
1. TATA Indica.
2. TATA Sumo.
3. Tavera
Duh!! all the pvt. taxi walas and especially cabs are really making delhi traffic and air really polluting. These cabs drives as if they are the only kings on the road and they try to make close cuts to scare the people on the road so that they can run their vehical fast. Ofcourse bumper to bumper at 50-70 kmph. Don't you guys think it is dangerous for the car and the cabs one. But people gets scared and give sudden space to the cabs because they think cabs can hit their cars, thats why cabs runs their vehicals like this. They should be prisoned.

First they run the vehicles which gives hell lot of smoke and their driving really S**ks

They should run on CNG with very very strict rules on them with atleast a minimum chalan ticket of 5k Rs plus. then only they will come to the track.
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I've seen quite a few call centre Qualises thundering down the MG road and belching smoke like nobody's business. Secondly, I was told that getting a PUC in NCR areas is a lot easier than doing so in Delhi.

A friend of mine who has a diesel vehicle always used to get the PUC done from Gurgaon and invariable his vehicle used to clear the test. One day he got it done from a place in Delhi who inserted a probe in the oil dipstick area for oil temp, connected an independent RPM meter and then ran the test. The vehicle failed miserable.

Why is there such a great disparity in the machines or the test?

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yeah they can phase out the cars with less refined engine and giving hell lot of smoke... Diesel Cars to be phased out,
1. TATA Indica.
2. TATA Sumo.
3. Tavera
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I've seen quite a few call centre Qualises thundering down the MG road and belching smoke like nobody's business. Secondly, I was told that getting a PUC in NCR areas is a lot easier than doing so in Delhi.

A friend of mine who has a diesel vehicle always used to get the PUC done from Gurgaon and invariable his vehicle used to clear the test. One day he got it done from a place in Delhi who inserted a probe in the oil dipstick area for oil temp, connected an independent RPM meter and then ran the test. The vehicle failed miserable.

Why is there such a great disparity in the machines or the test?
Even some of them take bribe to clear the test, even in delhi.
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Rather than just order the diesel vehicles off the roads in a ham -handed mannner some of the things that can help ease the pollution problem are:

1) Refineries should not be allowed to produce low quality diesel which deteriorates further after geting adulterated.

2)The PUC Norms should be strictly enforced.

3) Emphasis on comfortable, safe and accessible public transport system ( buses and metro) so that people have an option. (people prefer to go to chandni chowk in the metro rather than in the cars) . The Meto should be available at 2-3 km at most. Once that is done none of the BPO companies would not have to hire Sumos to ferry their employees . ( Cost pressures due to the appreciating rupee are sure to cut down theeir margins).

Once this is done a lare majority of people will prefer not to use their cars on the crowded roads, face traffic jams, fight for parkin space.

In a simple senence "It will be simpler to take a bus/metro than drive to work.

New generaion diesel vehicles fed on good quality diesela and maintained properly do not pollute ( A large proportion of vehicles in Green Europe are diesel)
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This has surfaced in the news again.....

Delhi govt plans ban on diesel cars-Delhi-Cities-The Times of India

NEW DELHI: The Delhi government may ban diesel vehicles in the city if other measures to curb pollution do not work. "We will come down with a strong hand and ban registration of diesel vehicles in Delhi if everything else fails," Delhi environment secretary J K Dadoo on Monday told a roundtable of the automotive industry and civil society.

The suggestion is a potential bombshell because in 2005-06, 18% of all cars in the city were running on diesel. This figure is expected to have gone up since. So, banning them would not only upset their manufacturers but a large number of car owners. Currently, apart from Tata's Indica and Indigo, virtually every car model comes with a diesel variant.

The government, however, is determined to tackle rising air pollution due to vehicular emission, Dadoo said. "Delhi can ban the use of any fuel it wants. We have the legal powers under the Air Pollution (Prevention and Control) Act, 1981, to ban the use of any fuel in the capital," he declared.

The automotive industry reacted cautiously. Dilip Chenoy, director general of the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers said, "Yes, the secretary said so but I don't want to comment on that. The industry is ready to meet the norms if the right fuel is available."

Prakash Sardesai, technical director of BASF, one of the biggest emission control device providers in the world, said: "I don't think the industry will have a problem in agreeing to Euro 4 norms if the right kind of fuel is available."

Earlier at the meeting, Tata Motors MD Ravi Kant had said, "The industry shall not be found wanting. But we must take a holistic view of the situation, not just of one facet... There should be a roadmap for (implementing standards)."

He pointed out that there were other vehicles besides cars fit for action. Dadoo made clear that the government will press hard for Euro 4 norms. "Delhi wants the Euro 4 pollution norms to be brought in before 2010 (the scheduled date for its implementation) and if need be we are willing to do some tail-twisting (to get it accepted)," he said.


'Diesel car ban would be unfair'-Delhi-Cities-The Times of India

NEW DELHI: The automobile industry on Tuesday came together to oppose any move to ban diesel cars in the city, saying there was "no reason for such harsh measures" as all diesel vehicle manufacturers were adhering to stipulated emission norms.

They felt it was unfair to single out diesel vehicles for rising pollution in the capital and drew attention to poor-quality fuel for which oil companies were to blame as well as to the rising number of gensets that didn't adhere to emission norms.

Pawan Goenka — president of Mahindra, which manufacturers a number of diesel vehicles — told TOI: "There's no reason to take a strong stand against any specific fuel. Diesel meets all emission norms specified by the government."

Goenka, who is also vice-president of the industry body, Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers, said any attempt to hurry in stricter Euro-4 emission norms before the stipulated deadline of April 2010 was unrealistic as the fuel for Euro-4 norms would not be available. A senior Hyundai official, the country's second biggest car maker that also sells a variety of diesel vehicles, said the car manufacturers were not at fault as they met all norms.

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Old 13th December 2007, 06:32   #84
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In this thread I have seen many references to diesels belching smoke from their tailpipes. This is only an indicator of a poluting diesel. Many of the polutants from any vehicle are colorless and odorless on an individual vehicle basis. Low sulfur diesel fuel (clean fuel) and high standard, enforced vehicle air quality tests are more likely to improve the air.
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Old 13th December 2007, 10:56   #85
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Why single out only diesels for ban?

Aren't new cars like swift diesel less polluting than old petrol cars and autorickshaws. Also diesel is accepted everywhere in the world so y should we have a problem.

Let them first stop 15-20 year old polluting vehicles from running on the roads.
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Why single out only diesels for ban?

Aren't new cars like swift diesel less polluting than old petrol cars and autorickshaws. Also diesel is accepted everywhere in the world so y should we have a problem.

Let them first stop 15-20 year old polluting vehicles from running on the roads.
Its called passing the buck.
When politicians are confronted with a problem, they look for an easy way out. The diesel pollution problem has a simple answer. E-IV norms. Car companies said aye give us clean diesel, we will give you a clean car.
But clean diesel is a difficult problem. With the oil mafia and adulteration commonplace, cleaning up the diesel is a tough task. No easy solution this.
So ban all diesel cars.
Something like "Doc my foot aches".
Doc : Let me cut off the foot, no foot no pain. Without the bamboo, there will be no flute.
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Did you know..that you can report a polluting vehicle to the Board...Save your diesels, start reporting.
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Really? how?

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Just read behind the PUC Certificate, Numbers and Contact details are given..todays paper says that the SC has also taken a stand to support goverment intiatives on Pollution control in the Capital.

With Advent of Euro 4 Norms early, I see a delayed launch for most new models coming up next year.

In Europe also there is trouble brewing on use of diesels offsetting the enviroment norms their, even though the Quality is higher and so are the standards- So Useless argument to say Diesels are non polluting- They have and will be-The Question is to what extent can the pollution levels be reduced.

Bio Diesel is not available, and now should be launched Commercially rather than keep it on and on in Testing stage.

The Goverment of Delhi also plans to induce Pollution Centers at NCR Borders into Delhi to Catch Polluting vehicles both Private and Commercial in Surprise Attacks, based on similar lines of yesterdays raids at CP,Nirman Bhawan area where Diplomats, Babus and other Goverment vehicles were fined.

All those in Delhi may have noticed that the Traffic police has stepped up its vigil in catching offenders, surprise raid attacks and Regular Patrolling with Interceptors at strategic points.

In one of my earlier posts on Tint Ban, I said that 4 High speed cameras have now been installed, Caught the location of one at Lodhi road + The Goverment decided to rope in Ex service men and officers to become Traffic wardens to challan the offenders based on the Motor Act Guidelines along with Traffic Police.

Things are really up for Delhi now and goverment wants to ensure that the Traffic Management System improves and becomes disciplined.

But Banning Diesels will not make a good solution since the rising Fuel prices have made the demands go higher, they should maintain this Upswing and launch campaigns to educate the Citizens on Enviorment Protection.

Also Intiatives should be launched to Promote CNG/LPG cars from All Manufacturers, Discounts given on Registration and Taxes for such vehicles.

BTW how many of us have actually got the Fuel Tested at the Pumps(Standard Tests for Adultration), Its your right do it for yourself, for your country and enviorment.

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Adulteration is not the only problem. The sulfur content is a major issue.
E-IV norms(the kind being enforced in the US now) require ULSD. Ultra Low Sulfur diesel.
This is 2 problems
1. Refinery upgradation issues
2. Older engines, esp trucks will be damaged if ULSD is used without shifting to modern standard engine oils which compensate for lack of sulfur.
This solution is not easy, but as of now its the only correct solution.

So bad diesel cars. What happens to the thousands of trucks which pass through Delhi at night. At many places the spm levels at night(when there are hardly any cars on road) are higher than daytime spm levels due to overloaded trucks which don't even meet 1990 norms, let alone Euro norms.
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