Why Safari? - Page 8 - Team-BHP

comfortfreak · 2nd November 2007, 12:09

OK, I think everyone misunderstood my post :( . I'm saying WE SHOULD NOT compare Safari with foreign SUVs as someone was a couple of pages back. I think its a great vehicle today, but only to those who are serious about offroading or has frequent long distance highway usage. My only grouse with Safari is that if Tatas believe they have a perfect vehicle in hand, they may not try to fix the obvious problems with cluthc, handling
and gear shifting which will make the vehicle far more appealing to softroaders like me without driving up the costs much.

ps: I have done a short TD on Safari before buying Innova, _only_ because of the ease to drive.

gd1418 · 2nd November 2007, 12:31

Though many may not agree with me, but as far as passenger vehicles from the TATA stable go, I prefer to wait at least for a year after the launch of a new product and them think of going for it.

During that time the product is extensively road tested by users and that feedback gives the company to improve & rectify the irritants & glitches.

2.0 TCIC was launched in '98 but the later models of 2000 + year perform better than the initial lot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vkochar

Well, I suggest everyone go through this read once by Harjeev ( new owner of 2.2 Ex 2x4 )

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...tml#post614496

I am a little shocked by reading his story - what do you people advise ?

I was very close to buying a Safari 2.2 when it was launched BUT people advised me to rethink. I am still a Hardcore admirer of Safari.

power ranger · 2nd November 2007, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by vkochar

Well, I suggest everyone go through this read once by Harjeev ( new owner of 2.2 Ex 2x4 )

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...tml#post614496

I am a little shocked by reading his story - what do you people advise ?

I was very close to buying a Safari 2.2 when it was launched BUT people advised me to rethink. I am still a Hardcore admirer of Safari.

vkochar, the answer is simple, go for 3.0 and live ever happily after. Look for my posting 153 on Safari TD thread

anupmathur · 2nd November 2007, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by power ranger

vkochar, the answer is simple, go for 3.0 and live ever happily after.

You are looking at no less than 2 years!!

bruty · 2nd November 2007, 14:17

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dhall_gagan · 2nd November 2007, 16:14

Guys.. I know there are many who are Safari fans out there 7 many scorpio...
I myself safari for its more macho look and believe that it has ruled the space and too fair & square...

but guys.. just leave the money part.. i mean.. I know it is priced cheap.. but not that cheap, that Tata guys, cant give us properly fitted interiors, Non-squeaking doors, handles coming out all of a Car which is sitting pretty in the showroom with 30 kms in the meter reading.

I know 7.5 lacs is less as far as SUVs are concerned.. but atleast they can look at these basic things..

Even safari owners here in this forum will agree that you cant give a Car whose Dashborad has the rubber coming out at all the places, It instantly puts an impression to the buyer that as if he is not getting full value of his car ....

Safari, should be improved upon not only in terms of handling but these basic points should be kept in mind while launching a commercial vehicle..

I mean how many cars going at 100 kph on a highway with all the windows closed.. give a feeling that air is gushing in from somewhere from the rear door

.... Indica gives you that feeling....

bblost · 2nd November 2007, 16:15

Its the beast with a cute side..

[img=http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8215/sleeprs4.th.jpg]

PS:
I did not bother to hide the number plates, cos the Innova is Temp and the Safari aint doing anything naughty.
Mods is it Ok?

I can change the pic if required

power ranger · 2nd November 2007, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by bblost

Its the beast with a cute side..

[img=http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8215/sleeprs4.th.jpg]

PS:
I did not bother to hide the number plates, cos the Innova is Temp and the Safari aint doing anything naughty.
Mods is it Ok?

I can change the pic if required

what are you trying to say here ?

bblost · 2nd November 2007, 16:38

>what are you trying to say here ?

Its about the the picture, I have uploaded.
taken in my apartment parking lot, found these kittens with their mummy sleeping on the bullbar.

Just found it very cute, with the beast having the kittens in its arms.

The PS part is because of a rule that number plates should be hidden, unless there is a explicit approval from the owner.

Direct URL
ImageShack - Hosting :: sleeprs4.jpg

m3_07 · 2nd November 2007, 18:17

Friends......I am pretty disappointed with TATAs not offerring 4WD in the LX version...this is over shooting my budget as this costs over 10L. Would any of you know when the scorpio eagle would be launched & does M&M ever think of a spacey rear leg room???

News on eagle is deeply appreciated!!

sgmuser · 2nd November 2007, 19:20

[QUOTE I know 7.5 lacs is less as far as SUVs are concerned.. but atleast they can look at these basic things..[/quote]

7.5l is too much! In Brunei, XTrail 2.5l Automatic, Tucson 2.2l CRDi and all comes around 8lakhs when you convert to Rs from Brunei dollor. I tell you something, we are being robbed virtually! ;-)

Steeroid · 2nd November 2007, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgmuser

7.5l is too much! In Brunei, XTrail 2.5l Automatic, Tucson 2.2l CRDi and all comes around 8lakhs when you convert to Rs from Brunei dollor. I tell you something, we are being robbed virtually! ;-)

Yes my dear for that money you can buy a Tucson here too. For the price I have paid for the Ex 4x4 I could buy a Mitsubishi Pajero or a Dodge Durango or a Hummer H3 or (now) a Toyota FJ Cruiser here.

One of my friends is selling his 2006 Ford F250 Turbo Diesel for about Dhs.70,000 (Rs.7.7 lakhs), too.

I am just about to go (in about 5 minutes) for a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8 test drive with fellow-BHPian California Knight. It wont cost me much more than what I paid for my Safari back home, and will give me about 450 bhp and insane amounts of torque.

However, when I want a vehicle back in India would I sit back and say I could buy a Hummer in Dubai ? Nope. Thats not going to get me around, is it?

Would you stop eating in Bandar Seri Bagwan or will Dirty Dan stop washing his clothes in the US of A because its cheaper in India? Dont people still pay insane amounts to buy poorly built property in Mumbai when they could buy really good villas for the same amount here in Dubai (or wherever else they may be based)?

So lets stop this comparison with foreign cars, or lets start comparing EVERYTHING abroad. You will probably conclude that its cheaper to live in India, then.

ScarySkulls · 2nd November 2007, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

My dear sir, I do not wish to offend but I beg to differ with you.

I am a U.S. citizen and have spent most of my life there. I travelled extensively for my job logging over 1.9 million kilimeters in about 25 years. My vehicle at home is a Ford F350 heavy duty 4x4 pickup truck with a 6.4L 325 BHP twin turbo diesel 8 cylinder engine in it. It weighs almost twice what a Safari weighs and is much wider and much longer. The thing is, it handles infinitely better than the Safari. Also, in my younger days I was a test driver/engineering tech for Dana Spicer, one of the world's leading suppliers of drive train and four wheel drive components. So please, do not presume to tell me that the Safari is a SUV and not a 'this' or a 'that'. We who driven professionally and extensively know what it is. It handles poorly for an SUV or for anything else.

Flawed comparison dear. Absolutely.

Would it be good if I went on to compare Baleno handling with Mondeo handling without any considerations to price and segment? Or a Skoda Laura and BMW 3 series? I'm sure, even you wouldnt agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rtech

I've put many a kilometer on the company scorpio and the handling is not as scary as its portrayed.

Now that you have enough kilometres under belt for a Scorpio, why not try and drive a safari spiritedly on the same stretch?
It will be a eye opening for you. I'm sure.

in my case, in Scorpio, 140 on speedo = Mom, Dad screaming from back row demanding to slow down vehicle.

Same stretch, one month later, roughly same amount of traffic, 140 on speedo in Safari. Dad is happily attending calls in front seat and writing bits and pieces of info on his letterpad. Family is comfortably sleeping in back seat. No complains from anyone. Cousin trying to keep up in his scorpio till Delhi is scared as hell. Sweaty palms and his family isnt too happy at him also.

anupmathur · 2nd November 2007, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScarySkulls

Same stretch, one month later, roughly same amount of traffic, 140 on speedo in Safari. Dad is happily attending calls in front seat and writing bits and pieces of info on his letterpad. Family is comfortably sleeping in back seat. No complains from anyone. Cousin trying to keep up in his scorpio till Delhi is scared as hell. Sweaty palms and his family isnt too happy at him also.

Flawed comparison dear. Absolutely.
Family should be awake and watching. Many people are allergic to 140.
And cousin does not seem like a speed enthusiast. Which is what came as a dis-appointment to his family as well!

I'm not surprised.

Murugan · 2nd November 2007, 21:34

"6) Suitability for the crazy traffic conditions in the NCR (as in road presence factor - the "Don't mess with me" kind)
I true that. When i took the test drive i honked at the auto guy he looked back and the way he changed the lane to give me the way was like i was YAMRAJ and if he didn't gave me side he will be sitting on the hood of SAFARI and we will be flying to HELL"

Fully agree!

1. Going into a round about, a PTC (state transport corporation) bus actually stopped in his tracks to let me go by. Has never happened to me before (even though I had the right of way in the same position) when driving an Innova or a Scorpio.

2. A sedan driver lowered his glass and personally requested by signalling that he cross my line of takeoff when waiting for a 'U' turn. Had a similar experience with a 'share auto' (the daredevils on Chennai roads)!

Enough reason to buy a Safari apart from a host of others!

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bblost BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 655 View My Garage	Cute Beast Its the beast with a cute side.. [img=http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8215/sleeprs4.th.jpg] PS: I did not bother to hide the number plates, cos the Innova is Temp and the Safari aint doing anything naughty. Mods is it Ok? I can change the pic if required __________________ Be your own Hero. RE TBird 2003, no speedo, no range limits. Wagon R, 2004. Last edited by bblost : 2nd November 2007 at 16:16. Reason: pic url corrected

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bblost BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 655 View My Garage	>what are you trying to say here ? Its about the the picture, I have uploaded. taken in my apartment parking lot, found these kittens with their mummy sleeping on the bullbar. Just found it very cute, with the beast having the kittens in its arms. The PS part is because of a rule that number plates should be hidden, unless there is a explicit approval from the owner. Direct URL ImageShack - Hosting :: sleeprs4.jpg __________________ Be your own Hero. RE TBird 2003, no speedo, no range limits. Wagon R, 2004.

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sgmuser BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seria Brunei Posts: 236 View My Garage	[QUOTE I know 7.5 lacs is less as far as SUVs are concerned.. but atleast they can look at these basic things..[/quote] 7.5l is too much! In Brunei, XTrail 2.5l Automatic, Tucson 2.2l CRDi and all comes around 8lakhs when you convert to Rs from Brunei dollor. I tell you something, we are being robbed virtually! ;-) __________________ ------------------------------------------------ Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation!

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2nd November 2007, 12:09	#106 (permalink)
comfortfreak Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 37	OK, I think everyone misunderstood my post :( . I'm saying WE SHOULD NOT compare Safari with foreign SUVs as someone was a couple of pages back. I think its a great vehicle today, but only to those who are serious about offroading or has frequent long distance highway usage. My only grouse with Safari is that if Tatas believe they have a perfect vehicle in hand, they may not try to fix the obvious problems with cluthc, handling and gear shifting which will make the vehicle far more appealing to softroaders like me without driving up the costs much. ps: I have done a short TD on Safari before buying Innova, _only_ because of the ease to drive.

2nd November 2007, 16:14	#111 (permalink)
dhall_gagan BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 53	Guys.. I know there are many who are Safari fans out there 7 many scorpio... I myself safari for its more macho look and believe that it has ruled the space and too fair & square... but guys.. just leave the money part.. i mean.. I know it is priced cheap.. but not that cheap, that Tata guys, cant give us properly fitted interiors, Non-squeaking doors, handles coming out all of a Car which is sitting pretty in the showroom with 30 kms in the meter reading. I know 7.5 lacs is less as far as SUVs are concerned.. but atleast they can look at these basic things.. Even safari owners here in this forum will agree that you cant give a Car whose Dashborad has the rubber coming out at all the places, It instantly puts an impression to the buyer that as if he is not getting full value of his car .... Safari, should be improved upon not only in terms of handling but these basic points should be kept in mind while launching a commercial vehicle.. I mean how many cars going at 100 kph on a highway with all the windows closed.. give a feeling that air is gushing in from somewhere from the rear door .... Indica gives you that feeling....

2nd November 2007, 18:17	#115 (permalink)
m3_07 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 142 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Friends......I am pretty disappointed with TATAs not offerring 4WD in the LX version...this is over shooting my budget as this costs over 10L. Would any of you know when the scorpio eagle would be launched & does M&M ever think of a spacey rear leg room??? News on eagle is deeply appreciated!!

2nd November 2007, 21:34	#120 (permalink)
Murugan BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 185	"6) Suitability for the crazy traffic conditions in the NCR (as in road presence factor - the "Don't mess with me" kind) I true that. When i took the test drive i honked at the auto guy he looked back and the way he changed the lane to give me the way was like i was YAMRAJ and if he didn't gave me side he will be sitting on the hood of SAFARI and we will be flying to HELL" Fully agree! 1. Going into a round about, a PTC (state transport corporation) bus actually stopped in his tracks to let me go by. Has never happened to me before (even though I had the right of way in the same position) when driving an Innova or a Scorpio. 2. A sedan driver lowered his glass and personally requested by signalling that he cross my line of takeoff when waiting for a 'U' turn. Had a similar experience with a 'share auto' (the daredevils on Chennai roads)! Enough reason to buy a Safari apart from a host of others!